2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 06-23-2022, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Would that hit be for next year’s cap out of curiosity Major?

If traded the following would apply via spotrac ...

Post June 1 Trade

2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000
2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000
2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000

In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen.

rezburna · 06-23-2022, 10:45 AM

After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more.

Boston Saint · 06-23-2022, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If traded the following would apply via spotrac ...

Post June 1 Trade

2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000
2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000
2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000

In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen.

Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year?

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

K Major · 06-23-2022, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

+1.

Just thinking back to Saints "past", the closest situation (financially speaking) in any trade scenario for Thomas would be the fool Junior Galette. IIRC he received a significant amount of money, then the Saint's front office brass let him go later that summer.

But I feel the same as you Boston. Not advocating a trade but sometimes you just never know.

Meanwhile hoping for the best in MT's rehab.

saintsfan1976 · 06-23-2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more.

You sound like a rational fan. Same as most of us.

Juxtapose MT's track post injury to that of Taysom Hill and you can see why many feel frustrated by his perceived lack of commitment....

K Major · 06-23-2022, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more.

Completely fair assessment.

99.9% of us (fans, reporters, Saints coaches/medical staff/doctors) feel this way.

Training camp is about a MONTH away, then it gets real

SmashMouth · 06-23-2022, 11:26 AM

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SmashMouth · 06-23-2022, 11:44 AM

Think MT is feeling some heat?

AsylumGuido · 06-23-2022, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year?

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

Two questions ...

If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade?

If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?

06-23-2022, 10:32 AM	#1011
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,172	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by Boston Saint Would that hit be for next year’s cap out of curiosity Major? If traded the following would apply via spotrac ... Post June 1 Trade 2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000 2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000 2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000 In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen.

06-23-2022, 10:45 AM	#1012
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,892	Re: Michael Thomas Progress After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, halloween 65 and 1 others like this.

06-23-2022, 11:01 AM	#1013
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If traded the following would apply via spotrac ... Post June 1 Trade 2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000 2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000 2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000 In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen. Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year? I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation. K Major likes this.
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06-23-2022, 11:10 AM	#1014
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation. +1. Just thinking back to Saints "past", the closest situation (financially speaking) in any trade scenario for Thomas would be the fool Junior Galette. IIRC he received a significant amount of money, then the Saint's front office brass let him go later that summer. But I feel the same as you Boston. Not advocating a trade but sometimes you just never know. Meanwhile hoping for the best in MT's rehab. Boston Saint likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by rezburna After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more. You sound like a rational fan. Same as most of us. Juxtapose MT's track post injury to that of Taysom Hill and you can see why many feel frustrated by his perceived lack of commitment.... Rugby Saint II, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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06-23-2022, 11:14 AM	#1016
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by rezburna After all these short clips I've seen he doesn't look great. I'm trying to remain optimistic about his return but I'm growing more and more concerned. This gap in his career has me wondering if he'll ever be the same. I need to see more. Completely fair assessment. 99.9% of us (fans, reporters, Saints coaches/medical staff/doctors) feel this way. Training camp is about a MONTH away, then it gets real SmashMouth, halloween 65 and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,172	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by Boston Saint Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year? I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation. Two questions ... If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade? If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?