2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 01-25-2022, 01:38 PM

jeanpierre · 01-25-2022, 02:13 PM

jeanpierre · 01-25-2022, 02:28 PM

Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now...

lee909 · 01-25-2022, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now...

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

K Major · 01-26-2022, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B]

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one

.

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one .

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.

halloween 65 · 01-26-2022, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round.

Good Strong Safeties can easily be had in Rd 4; while the SS can definitely be an impact position, for the level of play needed; that could be solved on Days 2, 3 of the draft...

Plus, there's some roster flexibility; I'd be slightly reluctant, but you could put Roby in the slot and move Gardner to his natural position of SS and draft for depth...

We're stuck with Ruiz short of taking a significant cap hit and getting a draft pick in return; and from what he's shown, no team is giving us a draft pick for Ruiz...

Now there are some teams that'd be interested in Peat right now; he's had some really good games in this league; feel we could find both veteran help and in the draft...

There's just no way to re-sign Armstead even if we really wanted to do that...

Would you rather keep Armstead or Marcus Williams; for me that's a no brainer...

And, in so far as WR, we really only need a modest FA signing of a DJ Chark or Christian Kirk to put at WRz opposite WRx Michael Thomas to solve the WR woes...

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01-25-2022, 06:05 PM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now... It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.
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01-26-2022, 08:18 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by lee909 It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in. Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... jnormand likes this.
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01-26-2022, 08:29 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,829 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B] I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:32 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

01-26-2022, 10:02 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.

01-26-2022, 10:12 AM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-26-2022, 10:20 AM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by halloween 65 JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round. Good Strong Safeties can easily be had in Rd 4; while the SS can definitely be an impact position, for the level of play needed; that could be solved on Days 2, 3 of the draft... Plus, there's some roster flexibility; I'd be slightly reluctant, but you could put Roby in the slot and move Gardner to his natural position of SS and draft for depth... We're stuck with Ruiz short of taking a significant cap hit and getting a draft pick in return; and from what he's shown, no team is giving us a draft pick for Ruiz... Now there are some teams that'd be interested in Peat right now; he's had some really good games in this league; feel we could find both veteran help and in the draft... There's just no way to re-sign Armstead even if we really wanted to do that... Would you rather keep Armstead or Marcus Williams; for me that's a no brainer... And, in so far as WR, we really only need a modest FA signing of a DJ Chark or Christian Kirk to put at WRz opposite WRx Michael Thomas to solve the WR woes... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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