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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintfan Here's a hypothetical: I'm at a lounge in Vegas with my wife - a new one, not the crazy ex one - and speedo is that the end of the bar. He makes an advance while ...

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Old 02-10-2022, 12:22 PM   #1
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Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested

Originally Posted by saintfan View Post
Here's a hypothetical:

I'm at a lounge in Vegas with my wife - a new one, not the crazy ex one - and speedo is that the end of the bar. He makes an advance while I'm in the can. I find out and laugh him off cause my wife can handle herself. Through the night he sits in his seat and continues to make comments - unwelcome comments to my wife and to other women there with other men, and at some point pretty much everybody in the bar tells him to shut his pie hole.

And yet he just WILL NOT stop. It's almost as if he's brain damaged, because any reasonable person would have stopped when his target rejected his advances. He keeps on. Other people at the bar lean in and tell him to stop, but he just laughs and keeps on keeping on.

Eventually the wifey and I and a few other couples stand up to leave and speedo follows us out of the bar and continues his advances and lude comments as we're walking to the elevator - the arrogant little pissant actually tries to get on the elevator WITH us. Some dude puts his hand squarely in speedo's chest and tells him to "catch the next car, bud." Speedo says "I can get on any elevator I want." Dude advises him he's about to make a career decision. Seedo tries once more the dude physically shoves him out of the car, at which point speedo begins saying some pretty disgusting things to wifey and the others. The dude starts toward him now and speedo turns and runs.

The right move here is to let him run away. Because he's clearly a sad little man and the issue is over. Instead, the dude, who has had enough whiskey in him to be reactive decides to go after speedo. Others join in because little speedo has been harassing everybody's ladies all night long. He gets his kicked.

Then speedo whines at the hospital about being a victim of an unwarranted attack and can only remember me because he knows for sure I'm the richest guy in the crowd that kicked the crap out of him?

If you're the judge, and my history is one of passive peace and it's clear little speedo was antagonizing me and others all night, what do you do?

I NEVER advocate for violence. But in the immortal words of Chris Rock, "I understand."

Now this is just a hypothetical. We don't know nearly enough. Kamara was in the wrong, but how wrong? Roger will drop the hammer on him, because he's Roger, and those are the rules everybody agreed to. I'm just not prepared to weigh in on Kamara's character. Antonio Brown, yeah, but not Kamara. At least not yet.
When you factor the video account and Kamara's own words, his own admission, in his statement to authorities, there's no justification for Kamara's action...

There was a less than friendly exchange waiting for the elevator, Kamara big-timed the guy stiff arming him from riding the elevator, the guy justly knocked the stiff arm away...

Kamara's party retaliated, struck the fella, others including Kamara joined in, victim attempted to flee and was chased down, then beaten down in intense assault...

That's the released facts and parts of Kamara's statement to LVPD to corroborate; is this idiot posting on his own social media gaining any public empathy - No...

But as folks here have stated, it's a lot to take in considering how positive a force Kamara has been and to act in this inexcusable manner is demoralizing as a Saints fan...

And as we're Saints fans, putting fandom ahead of human decency, civility is not the right course, we're better NFL fans than most because of our values...
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Old 02-10-2022, 12:41 PM   #2
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Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
When you factor the video account and Kamara's own words, his own admission, in his statement to authorities, there's no justification for Kamara's action...

There was a less than friendly exchange waiting for the elevator, Kamara big-timed the guy stiff arming him from riding the elevator, the guy justly knocked the stiff arm away...

Kamara's party retaliated, struck the fella, others including Kamara joined in, victim attempted to flee and was chased down, then beaten down in intense assault...

That's the released facts and parts of Kamara's statement to LVPS to corroborate; is this idiot posting on his own social media gaining any public empathy - No...

But as folks here have stated, it's a lot to take in considering how positive a force Kamara has been and to act in this inexcusable manner is demoralizing as a Saints fan...

And as we're Saints fans, putting fandom ahead of human decency, civility is not the right course, we're better NFL fans than most because of our values...
Definitely not justifying it - we agree 110%. I am just providing an example of how a guy can end up getting the hell beat out of him and trying to be a victim of someone else when he's truly a victim of his own actions. See speedo...

My biggest wish, because I do believe Kamara is a quality human being from all accounts, is that he learn that his actions were wrong. If what we think we know about him is true then he will.
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Old 02-11-2022, 10:56 AM   #3
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Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
When you factor the video account and Kamara's own words, his own admission, in his statement to authorities, there's no justification for Kamara's action...

There was a less than friendly exchange waiting for the elevator, Kamara big-timed the guy stiff arming him from riding the elevator, the guy justly knocked the stiff arm away...

Kamara's party retaliated, struck the fella, others including Kamara joined in, victim attempted to flee and was chased down, then beaten down in intense assault...

That's the released facts and parts of Kamara's statement to LVPD to corroborate; is this idiot posting on his own social media gaining any public empathy - No...

But as folks here have stated, it's a lot to take in considering how positive a force Kamara has been and to act in this inexcusable manner is demoralizing as a Saints fan...

And as we're Saints fans, putting fandom ahead of human decency, civility is not the right course, we're better NFL fans than most because of our values...
I believe we are better NFL fans than most because of our grounding. Having high values without a touch of humanity wold make us idealists.

It is this humanity/grounding that prevents me from seeing this as any reflection on his character. As far as I am aware there was no contemplation just before this, it was heat of the moment, the contemplation and reflection (our character) came after. Is there anything about this on Kamara's twitter or IG...no he isnt talking ****.

Besides that my friend.... I don't dare even look at the high moral ground from the position that I occupy, actions in combat might be righteous but they certainly are not virtuous.

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Old 02-11-2022, 11:08 AM   #4
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I believe we are better NFL fans than most because of our grounding. Having high values without a touch of humanity wold make us idealists.

It is this humanity/grounding that prevents me from seeing this as any reflection on his character. As far as I am aware there was no contemplation just before this, it was heat of the moment, the contemplation and reflection (our character) came after. Is there anything about this on Kamara's twitter or IG...no he isnt talking ****.

Besides that my friend.... I don't dare even look at the high moral ground from the position that I occupy, actions in combat might be righteous but they certainly are not virtuous.
That's where my brain is on the issue, I just couldn't figure out a way to articulate it. lol

As for your service, many thanks. I can't relate but I can appreciate. I grew up on a base - I learned when I was a kid to stop asking for details to painful stories.
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