Alvin Kamara Arrested

dizzle88 · 03-02-2023, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Kamara did not stomp on the guy. He was far and away the least aggressive of the four in the video. It is quite clear. Watch the video. The two that can be seen stomping on the guys head, however, are probably up sh!t creek.

I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol

Kamara has a spotless history. That has been pointed out by a couple of legal experts. He's really only looking at the misdemeanor charge as a reality. He should have ignored the guy and not responded, but he did and that was a mistake. But it was the guys with him that beat the crap out of the guy. That is clear on the video. Yes, I want to give him a break just like anyone else in his situation. I'll guarantee you there are members here than have had altercations where they delivered just as much damage as did Kamara personally.

This is also America where you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. That means a lot.

rezburna · 03-02-2023, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol

CJ’s comments just made me glad he’s gone. I just don’t come from a background where you get into a fight or even get jumped and then go get the police involved. If anything I would have forced Kamara to pay me a few million and went on with my life. If there’s any reason for me not to get the police involved 9.5 times out of 10 I’m taking it. I just really don’t care about a guy getting beat up. If he would have died or ended up with brain damage I get it, but he had some broken bones. I can’t even pretend to care when I’ve got friends and family who were shot and killed for less. It just doesn’t strike a cord with me. Idk. 🤷🏽*♂️

dizzle88 · 03-02-2023, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

CJ’s comments just made me glad he’s gone. I just don’t come from a background where you get into a fight or even get jumped and then go get the police involved. If anything I would have forced Kamara to pay me a few million and went on with my life. If there’s any reason for me not to get the police involved 9.5 times out of 10 I’m taking it. I just really don’t care about a guy getting beat up. If he would have died or ended up with brain damage I get it, but he had some broken bones. I can’t even pretend to care when I’ve got friends and family who were shot and killed for less. It just doesn’t strike a cord with me. Idk. 🤷🏽*♂️

I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether.

Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead.

It really can be that easy.

Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal?

Who knows, maybe it's just me lol

rezburna · 03-02-2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether.

Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead.

It really can be that easy.

Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal?

Who knows, maybe it's just me lol

It could just be the context of CJ bad mouthing people who he was in the trenches with as opposed to Kamara getting into a squabble with a complete stranger. I don’t know CJ’s relationship with the guys in the locker room but I’m assuming he made friends. Friends he just ****ted on. So weighing getting into a fight with a stranger who disrespected you as opposed to ****ting on people you’re supposed to be friends with, I’d lean more to CJ being to jerk. I’d punch a stranger who disrespected me. I’d never publicly go at my friends.

jnormand · 03-02-2023, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether.

Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead.

It really can be that easy.

Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal?

Who knows, maybe it's just me lol

It’s not just you. And regardless of arguments made, maybe the guy deserved to get punched. But the beat down he got was overwhelmingly over the line. He posed no realistic threat. And to be chased down and beat is ridiculous because he is no longer a threat. And he sure as hell was no longer a threat after he was on the ground getting his face kicked and stomped.

I’m not advocating that the guy is not a douche. I’m sure he is. But it obviously shows a lack of character and self control by the parties who decided to beat the holy living **** out of him.

There’s no honor in a group of guys beating the **** out of one guy. You wanna go one v one. Go ahead. What happened was disgusting. And that goes for any group of people that attack a single person like that. Disgusting.

Using the fact that other people have been shot for less is not a logical argument imo. Just shows that the people who were shot obviously didn’t deserve that and the shooters themselves should be in prison for life. It doesn’t make what AK and his buddies did not that big a deal.

I’d be fine with AK never playing another down for the Saints again.

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2023, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether.

Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead.

It really can be that easy.

Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal?

Who knows, maybe it's just me lol

I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

halloween 65 · 03-03-2023, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

K Major · 03-03-2023, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

Precisely.

rezburna · 03-03-2023, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.

03-02-2023, 04:23 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Kamara did not stomp on the guy. He was far and away the least aggressive of the four in the video. It is quite clear. Watch the video. The two that can be seen stomping on the guys head, however, are probably up sh!t creek. I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol

03-02-2023, 04:55 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,491	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol Kamara has a spotless history. That has been pointed out by a couple of legal experts. He's really only looking at the misdemeanor charge as a reality. He should have ignored the guy and not responded, but he did and that was a mistake. But it was the guys with him that beat the crap out of the guy. That is clear on the video. Yes, I want to give him a break just like anyone else in his situation. I'll guarantee you there are members here than have had altercations where they delivered just as much damage as did Kamara personally. This is also America where you are innocent until proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt. That means a lot.
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03-02-2023, 05:05 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm quite surprised with how rigourously Kamara is being defended here, when CGJ said some mean things about some coaches and gets anointed as the Devil lol CJ’s comments just made me glad he’s gone. I just don’t come from a background where you get into a fight or even get jumped and then go get the police involved. If anything I would have forced Kamara to pay me a few million and went on with my life. If there’s any reason for me not to get the police involved 9.5 times out of 10 I’m taking it. I just really don’t care about a guy getting beat up. If he would have died or ended up with brain damage I get it, but he had some broken bones. I can’t even pretend to care when I’ve got friends and family who were shot and killed for less. It just doesn’t strike a cord with me. Idk. 🤷🏽*♂️
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03-02-2023, 05:17 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by rezburna CJ’s comments just made me glad he’s gone. I just don’t come from a background where you get into a fight or even get jumped and then go get the police involved. If anything I would have forced Kamara to pay me a few million and went on with my life. If there’s any reason for me not to get the police involved 9.5 times out of 10 I’m taking it. I just really don’t care about a guy getting beat up. If he would have died or ended up with brain damage I get it, but he had some broken bones. I can’t even pretend to care when I’ve got friends and family who were shot and killed for less. It just doesn’t strike a cord with me. Idk. 🤷🏽*♂️ I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether. Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead. It really can be that easy. Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal? Who knows, maybe it's just me lol
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03-02-2023, 05:27 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether. Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead. It really can be that easy. Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal? Who knows, maybe it's just me lol It could just be the context of CJ bad mouthing people who he was in the trenches with as opposed to Kamara getting into a squabble with a complete stranger. I don’t know CJ’s relationship with the guys in the locker room but I’m assuming he made friends. Friends he just **ted on. So weighing getting into a fight with a stranger who disrespected you as opposed to **ting on people you’re supposed to be friends with, I’d lean more to CJ being to jerk. I’d punch a stranger who disrespected me. I’d never publicly go at my friends.
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03-02-2023, 06:06 PM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether. Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead. It really can be that easy. Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal? Who knows, maybe it's just me lol It’s not just you. And regardless of arguments made, maybe the guy deserved to get punched. But the beat down he got was overwhelmingly over the line. He posed no realistic threat. And to be chased down and beat is ridiculous because he is no longer a threat. And he sure as hell was no longer a threat after he was on the ground getting his face kicked and stomped. I’m not advocating that the guy is not a douche. I’m sure he is. But it obviously shows a lack of character and self control by the parties who decided to beat the holy living ** out of him. There’s no honor in a group of guys beating the ** out of one guy. You wanna go one v one. Go ahead. What happened was disgusting. And that goes for any group of people that attack a single person like that. Disgusting. Using the fact that other people have been shot for less is not a logical argument imo. Just shows that the people who were shot obviously didn’t deserve that and the shooters themselves should be in prison for life. It doesn’t make what AK and his buddies did not that big a deal. I’d be fine with AK never playing another down for the Saints again.

03-03-2023, 09:37 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,491	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by dizzle88 I completely get your point, however i don't for a second believe that they meant to "only cause broken bones." I think they are extremely lucky he didn't get brain damage or die, because this would be a different conversation altogether. Kamara may not have been the main aggressor, but he's as culpable as the rest because he's involved. There was a police documentary here in the UK a while back called "one punch," where a young lad, who had never been in trouble before was agitated by an aggressor. The young lad landed one singular punch, the instigator fell and hit his head on a kerb, dead. It really can be that easy. Maybe it's different countries, different upbringings / surroundings, just seems odd to me that guys like CGJ are called jerks for making comments, but when Kamara attacks someone it's not that big a deal? Who knows, maybe it's just me lol I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt. As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation. I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there. I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.
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03-03-2023, 01:04 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt. As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation. I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there. I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end. He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

03-03-2023, 01:35 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,740 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? Precisely.

03-03-2023, 02:46 PM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.