Alvin Kamara Arrested

halloween 65 · 03-03-2023, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

K Major · 03-03-2023, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

Precisely.

rezburna · 03-03-2023, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.

Rugby Saint II · 03-27-2023, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

I'm not so sure that the instigator was fleeing the scene or being knocked out of the elevator by AK. There is no doubt that AK should have let it go, but the dude was harassing them all night and apparently Kamara had enough when he started touching a female in the group.

My first martial arts instructor told me that if you get the better of a man then you should finish the fight before you let him get up even madder than when he started the fight. I still follow that philosophy when I teach my martial arts classes.

With the advent of cell phones no one wants to get involved and would rather post videos of altercations for clicks. It's sad. You can't even put a bully in their place anymore because all the judges care about now is a clip of a video with no relevance to who started it.

My twin brother and I were bullied badly as boys and my parents put us in martial arts to learn to defend ourselves and others. Children can be so mean and they grow up to be mean people who raise mean kids.

I'm not advocating beating up bullies but I certainly understand the mentality of the abused. We'll let this play out in court. Not the court of public opinion.

Edit: This wasn't some boy who got beat down. He was a full grown man with an antagonistic attitude that flowed over to his social media, and is readily available if anyone wants to read it. Yes, he is somebody's son like you mentioned but once again, he is still a full grown man who put himself in that situation with his poor decision making. Kamara put himself in court with poor decision making as well.

03-03-2023, 01:04 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt. As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation. I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there. I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end. He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

03-03-2023, 01:35 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? Precisely.

03-03-2023, 02:46 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.

03-27-2023, 01:23 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? I'm not so sure that the instigator was fleeing the scene or being knocked out of the elevator by AK. There is no doubt that AK should have let it go, but the dude was harassing them all night and apparently Kamara had enough when he started touching a female in the group. My first martial arts instructor told me that if you get the better of a man then you should finish the fight before you let him get up even madder than when he started the fight. I still follow that philosophy when I teach my martial arts classes. With the advent of cell phones no one wants to get involved and would rather post videos of altercations for clicks. It's sad. You can't even put a bully in their place anymore because all the judges care about now is a clip of a video with no relevance to who started it. My twin brother and I were bullied badly as boys and my parents put us in martial arts to learn to defend ourselves and others. Children can be so mean and they grow up to be mean people who raise mean kids. I'm not advocating beating up bullies but I certainly understand the mentality of the abused. We'll let this play out in court. Not the court of public opinion. Edit: This wasn't some boy who got beat down. He was a full grown man with an antagonistic attitude that flowed over to his social media, and is readily available if anyone wants to read it. Yes, he is somebody's son like you mentioned but once again, he is still a full grown man who put himself in that situation with his poor decision making. Kamara put himself in court with poor decision making as well.
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