Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator

SmashMouth · 02-17-2022, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement?

Fair question... and in all fairness also, we should always expect and see improvement, no matter who is at the helm. We'll see what portends.

AsylumGuido · 02-17-2022, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement?

I'm expecting improvement just based upon the degree in which the offense was decimated last year. It CAN'T get worse ... can it?

AsylumGuido · 02-17-2022, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Fair question... and in all fairness also, we should always expect and see improvement, no matter who is at the helm. We'll see what portends.

True. There were more than a few complaining that Payton was getting stale for lack of a better word.

saintsfan1976 · 02-17-2022, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Yeah I don’t know about this. Pete’s spent years trying to avoid being in a position of authority because apparently it’s just not his style. Now we have a defensive head coach so it’s squarely on Carmichael to run the offense.

How do you know this for certain?

saintsfan1976 · 02-17-2022, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement?

A perennial top 10 offense. Outside of personnel, what needs to be improved?

papz · 02-17-2022, 10:37 AM

Well he's more than qualified. I was hoping for a fresh set of eyes but I'm good with it. As long as we don't see any 4 and short jet sweeps, we'll be just fine.

K Major · 02-17-2022, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

A perennial top 10 offense. Outside of personnel, what needs to be improved?

I'll be curious to see what Dougie M does with the O line. Specifically RUIZ, Peat & Landon Young.

Collectively, the Saints O line didn't perform up to their potential in 2021, even when healthy.

NonieT · 02-17-2022, 11:48 AM

Pete Carmichael called the offense in 2012 with no input from Sean Payton. Saints had the #2 offense in the NFL. It was the defense that was a trainwreck.

halloween 65 · 02-17-2022, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Pete Carmichael called the offense in 2012 with no input from Sean Payton. Saints had the #2 offense in the NFL. It was the defense that was a trainwreck.

Exactly. I think given an improved O-line, with a qb( hopefully Winston) that has a really good deep ball (2011 and 2012 season come to mind) a set of decent rb's and wr's we could be a very good O with him calling the shots. This draft and FA's are going to be key for the O this season, more than any in recent years.

halloween 65 · 02-17-2022, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

“Hopefully” it’s the Saints minus Payton...but plus Thomas and minus the fascination Payton had that Hill can be a viable QB. Simply getting rid of some of Payton’s ideas including his “projects” may go a long way to helping the team. Baptiste anyone? I don’t want to hack on Book either, but he is a project guy I doubt many HCs would have taken when/where Payton drafted him. Hope he proves me dead wrong.

I think Hill might become a really good TE in a short period of time. I don't look at him as a qb anymore. One more concussion with the his style of play bothers me also. I can't discount Book yet but he's tough. He might do better with a line to protect him. We got Bortles also, he will beat Hill out in camp if the Hill experiment continues.

02-17-2022, 06:31 AM	#11
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement? Fair question... and in all fairness also, we should always expect and see improvement, no matter who is at the helm. We'll see what portends. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement? I'm expecting improvement just based upon the degree in which the offense was decimated last year. It CAN'T get worse ... can it? Thirty3 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by SmashMouth Fair question... and in all fairness also, we should always expect and see improvement, no matter who is at the helm. We'll see what portends. True. There were more than a few complaining that Payton was getting stale for lack of a better word.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Yeah I don’t know about this. Pete’s spent years trying to avoid being in a position of authority because apparently it’s just not his style. Now we have a defensive head coach so it’s squarely on Carmichael to run the offense. How do you know this for certain? K Major likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So it’s the Sean Payton Saints minus Sean Payton and we’re expecting improvement? A perennial top 10 offense. Outside of personnel, what needs to be improved? AsylumGuido and Thirty3 like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by NonieT Pete Carmichael called the offense in 2012 with no input from Sean Payton. Saints had the #2 offense in the NFL. It was the defense that was a trainwreck. Exactly. I think given an improved O-line, with a qb( hopefully Winston) that has a really good deep ball (2011 and 2012 season come to mind) a set of decent rb's and wr's we could be a very good O with him calling the shots. This draft and FA's are going to be key for the O this season, more than any in recent years. AsylumGuido likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Pete Carmichael will stay on as the Saints offensive coordinator Originally Posted by Boston Saint “Hopefully” it’s the Saints minus Payton...but plus Thomas and minus the fascination Payton had that Hill can be a viable QB. Simply getting rid of some of Payton’s ideas including his “projects” may go a long way to helping the team. Baptiste anyone? I don’t want to hack on Book either, but he is a project guy I doubt many HCs would have taken when/where Payton drafted him. Hope he proves me dead wrong. I think Hill might become a really good TE in a short period of time. I don't look at him as a qb anymore. One more concussion with the his style of play bothers me also. I can't discount Book yet but he's tough. He might do better with a line to protect him. We got Bortles also, he will beat Hill out in camp if the Hill experiment continues.