Deshaun Watson to Saints?

jeanpierre · 03-12-2022, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives.

Fin, you're likely right. But once made public, do we still condone that behaviour because they're professional athletes? or as a would-be just society, is their accountability?

jeanpierre · 03-12-2022, 08:01 PM

The Dude · 03-12-2022, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Kamara and his crew beat up that guy recently too.

Like it or not, there are not many role models left in the NFL. Its no longer viewed as privilege to be in the NFL, because as long as you can contribute to a Super Bowl, a lot of the personal stuff gets forgotten by many.

As you said, disturbing.

It’s not like everyone was a Boy Scout back when Brees and Payton were here. People stealing Vicodin, Payton showing up to press conferences coked out of his mind, Sharper, and Bountygate all came under their watch.

SaintGnome · 03-12-2022, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It’s not like everyone was a Boy Scout back when Brees and Payton were here. People stealing Vicodin, Payton showing up to press conferences coked out of his mind, Sharper, and Bountygate all came under their watch.

Yeah, but none of that was obvious at the time. If we had a warning...maybe things play differently.

BakoSaint · 03-12-2022, 09:05 PM

I hope the Panthers get Watson and pay a kings ransom. I have no interest unless he comes cheap, which it seems like he won't. He has the hat trick of risk factors, a lot of past injuries, legal troubles that could come back again or be a precendent for future legal transgressions, attitude issues and history of holding out, significant time off that could leave him rusty or prone to injury, will require a lot of salary cap allocation, and will require a lot of draft picks to acquire. He could help come absolutely loaded team win in the short term but we are not that team, we have issues on oline and receiver and with out salary cap. The Panthers are not that team either. In general, teams that are not already loaded and don't have tons of free salary cap to load up further need a young low cost QB to win it all. Watson is a giant risk. He has torn both his ACLs in practice in his past history. Could we win a Superbowl with Watson and Michael Thomas? Perhaps. But the odds of them both being on the field to do it are not great when both present the full house of risk factors. Might be more likely they get in a fight with each other over a stripper where one gets charged with a felony and the other sustains a nagging injury.

vpheughan · 03-12-2022, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives.

To your point:

It was November 19, 1966. Michigan State entered the contest 9–0 and ranked No. 2, while Notre Dame entered 8–0 and ranked No. 1. Notre Dame elected not to try for a score on the final series; thus, the game ended in a 10–10 tie.

Bubba Smith, The Baltimore Colts 1967 1st round draft choice and later a star in the Police Academy movie franchise was a senior defensive end for Michigan State.

Prior to his senior year, his hometown American Football League’s Houston Oilers bought Smith an Oldsmobile 98 to get a jump on the bidding war with NFL teams. When Smith showed up on campus with his new wheels, there were rumors a booster paid for it. Coach DuffyDaugherty told Smith to return the car.

Smith was arrested before the big game for having 300 unpaid parking tickets. Amazingly He was out in time to play in the Big Game. Tame by today's standards but things were in 1966.

ChrisXVI · 03-13-2022, 12:30 AM

Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans:

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html

Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL

… Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled...

… But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.''

The Dude · 03-13-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans:

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html

Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL

… Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled...

… But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.''

Yea in the 70’s and 80’s can’t cocaine use was rampant among NFL players. It was almost acceptable. At the very least the NFL looked the other way.

jeanpierre · 03-13-2022, 12:22 PM

ChrisXVI · 03-13-2022, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1503036333769383938

Oh lord… we’re gonna lose Armstead, Marcus Williams and any first round pick for the foreseeable future. Not to mention any dwindling respectability the organization had.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives. Fin, you're likely right. But once made public, do we still condone that behaviour because they're professional athletes? or as a would-be just society, is their accountability?

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Kamara and his crew beat up that guy recently too. Like it or not, there are not many role models left in the NFL. Its no longer viewed as privilege to be in the NFL, because as long as you can contribute to a Super Bowl, a lot of the personal stuff gets forgotten by many. As you said, disturbing. It’s not like everyone was a Boy Scout back when Brees and Payton were here. People stealing Vicodin, Payton showing up to press conferences coked out of his mind, Sharper, and Bountygate all came under their watch.
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? I hope the Panthers get Watson and pay a kings ransom. I have no interest unless he comes cheap, which it seems like he won't. He has the hat trick of risk factors, a lot of past injuries, legal troubles that could come back again or be a precendent for future legal transgressions, attitude issues and history of holding out, significant time off that could leave him rusty or prone to injury, will require a lot of salary cap allocation, and will require a lot of draft picks to acquire. He could help come absolutely loaded team win in the short term but we are not that team, we have issues on oline and receiver and with out salary cap. The Panthers are not that team either. In general, teams that are not already loaded and don't have tons of free salary cap to load up further need a young low cost QB to win it all. Watson is a giant risk. He has torn both his ACLs in practice in his past history. Could we win a Superbowl with Watson and Michael Thomas? Perhaps. But the odds of them both being on the field to do it are not great when both present the full house of risk factors. Might be more likely they get in a fight with each other over a stripper where one gets charged with a felony and the other sustains a nagging injury.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Probably a lot of the same kind of stuff went on behind the scenes back in the day when players actually had private lives. To your point: It was November 19, 1966. Michigan State entered the contest 9–0 and ranked No. 2, while Notre Dame entered 8–0 and ranked No. 1. Notre Dame elected not to try for a score on the final series; thus, the game ended in a 10–10 tie. Bubba Smith, The Baltimore Colts 1967 1st round draft choice and later a star in the Police Academy movie franchise was a senior defensive end for Michigan State. Prior to his senior year, his hometown American Football League’s Houston Oilers bought Smith an Oldsmobile 98 to get a jump on the bidding war with NFL teams. When Smith showed up on campus with his new wheels, there were rumors a booster paid for it. Coach DuffyDaugherty told Smith to return the car. Smith was arrested before the big game for having 300 unpaid parking tickets. Amazingly He was out in time to play in the Big Game. Tame by today's standards but things were in 1966.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Nobody actually thinks players behavior is worse now do they? Here’s some excerpts from a New York Times article from June 10, 1982 with former Saints DE Don Reese spilling the beans: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/10/s...se-in-nfl.html Player Tells of Wide Drug Use in NFL … Reese says that he used cocaine with many players, and that he and other Saints indulged in free-basing, in which cocaine is heated and the fumes are inhaled... … But life with the Saints, he said, ''was a horror show.'' ''Players snorted coke in the locker room before games and at halftime,'' he said, ''and stayed up all hours of the night roaming the streets to get more stuff. I know. I was one of them.'' Yea in the 70’s and 80’s can’t cocaine use was rampant among NFL players. It was almost acceptable. At the very least the NFL looked the other way. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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