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SmashMouth 04-06-2022 10:10 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 949688)
Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 949691)
None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.
They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

stickman 04-06-2022 10:25 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 949706)
They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.
I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed.

rezburna 04-06-2022 11:07 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 949688)
Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?
I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

AsylumGuido 04-06-2022 12:06 PM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 949709)
I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.
This makes perfect sense. Getting your primary backup in place in time for off-season activities is worth more than the possibility of maybe getting a pick after the tail-end of the third round (actually basically a 4th rounder) IF Terron Armstead can stay healthy for the Dolphins (which is absolutely not a given).

jeanpierre 04-07-2022 02:47 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 949709)
I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.
Rez, that's one of the criticisms of the signing, Dalton was only signed to a one year deal and it may cost them a R3 compensatory pick...

It will largely depend on the totality of other signings; but if the Saints lost a Top 100 pick in the draft because of this signing - then the heat will be brought to bear...

And if anyone questions the importance of a Round 3 compensatory pick, bear in mind, we just traded one of those picks in the trade with the Eagles, to gain a R1 pick...

Also Trey Hendrickson was drafted with an acquired compensatory R3 pick (Brandin Cooks Trade), so despite some fools, there's definite value with those picks...

The Dude 04-07-2022 05:48 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 949607)
The title is misleading IMO. It's based on the calculations of next year's comp picks and that signing Dalton wipes away one of the potential 3rd rounders for Williams and Armstead, while the signing of Maye already wiped the other.

If this leads to someone wanting Loomis to be fired - I really don't know what to say to that person, except "you be you "
Do. You do you. I think that’s the in fashion, over used phrase the prissy millennials use.

WW_Who_Dat 04-07-2022 07:19 AM
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Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

jeanpierre 04-07-2022 08:36 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 949777)
Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️
Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan when giving the opportunity...

TheOak 04-07-2022 08:49 AM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 949595)
It was Sean Payton and Drew Brees that got us out of that, Loomis was just an accountant who hung on for the ride. Mickey Loomis can go to the Falcons board when he is fired next year. He is just like Calvin Ridley, betting on his own team even when the consequences are that they lose a first round pick.
When you rewind your Saints history tape, it is a good practice to rewind all the way, or at least to the point that tells you that you shouldn't make the statement you are about to make.

With out that 'just an accountant" you don't have Sean Payton or Drew Brees. If 'the accountant' chooses differently you have Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson, or Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, former or Green Bay head coach Mike Sherman or former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz.

If 'the accountant' is responsible for Andy Dalton then he is also responsible for Brees, Sproles, Sharper (wouldn't have been in a SB without his 9 interceptions and only 2 players in the NFL have beaten that number in the last 12 years.)Shall i keep going?

If you are going to say 'the accountant' is not responsible for those above free agents then you hang Andy Dalton on Dennis Allen.

Either way at some point your passion needs a dose of logic.:bng:

Rugby Saint II 04-07-2022 12:42 PM
Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 949778)
Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan when giving the opportunity...
I get that. Oh yes!


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