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SmashMouth 05-11-2022 10:46 AM
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AsylumGuido 05-11-2022 11:38 AM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951830)
The numbers Julio put up last year as the third WR on Tenn surpassed what the third WR on the Saints had. That’s why I said as the saints 3 or 4 receiver. He was hurt last year. So, you have no doubt Michael Thomas can come back from a long injury but Julio Jones can’t? Plus the experience Julio has to pass on to Olave is valuable IMO. I also mentioned the price being right. I think his price will be lower than Landry’s. That savings could help elsewhere. Just my thoughts. Not trying to argue with you.
It's true his price would be lower than Landry's. Just like the old used jacket off the Goodwill rack is less than the one at Macy's. You get what you pay for and I'd rather see the Saints do everything they can to win now. Just my point of view. Besides, the thought of pulling for Julio Jones turns my stomach. :D

:bng:

saintsfan1976 05-11-2022 12:44 PM
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Julio is old and damaged.

Plus you can't wash that stank off.

Boston Saint 05-11-2022 02:46 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
If it came down to signing Julio or no one else Id take Julio.

The Dude 05-11-2022 02:57 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Someone needs to change the title of this thread. Gets me every time. It’s like getting dry humped in high school.

cmike 05-11-2022 03:29 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951849)
If it came down to signing Julio or no one else Id take Julio.
I’m with this as an option. Excluding Harty, Julio can’t be any worse than all the receivers we suited-up last season.

saintsfan1976 05-11-2022 05:27 PM
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We can sign Jones to sit on the bench but it's coming out of YOUR paychecks!

Sep 20, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones strained his left hamstring in the team's Week 2 loss to the Cowboys. He missed one game

Oct 5, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones aggravated his hamstring injury in Monday's loss to the Packers. He was inactive for Week 5 game against the Panthers.

Nov 22, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones was examined for a hamstring injury during the Week 11 loss to the Saints. He missed the next game

Dec 9, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones aggravated his hamstring injury after coming out of a Week 13 game against the Saint. He closed out the 2020 season with four straight missed games

Sep 26, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones picked up a hamstring injury during Week 3's win over the Colts. He missed two games

Oct 18, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Julio re-injured his hamstring in Week 6's game against the Bills. He didn't miss any game

Oct 27, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones missed Week 8's game against the Colts due to a hamstring injury.

Nov 11, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones missed three games due to a hamstring injury.

Dec 19, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Jones aggravated a hamstring injury in Tennessee's Week 15 loss to Pittsburgh. He was cleared for the next game.

SaintGnome 05-11-2022 06:46 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951855)
We can sign Jones to sit on the bench but it's coming out of YOUR paychecks!
LOL

lee909 05-11-2022 07:06 PM
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Calloway will put up similar if not better numbers than Julio would in a Saints uniform at this point. Mostly cause he won't miss 8 games with various injuries.

Boston Saint 05-11-2022 07:17 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951855)
We can sign Jones to sit on the bench but it's coming out of YOUR paychecks!

Sep 20, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones strained his left hamstring in the team's Week 2 loss to the Cowboys. He missed one game

Oct 5, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones aggravated his hamstring injury in Monday's loss to the Packers. He was inactive for Week 5 game against the Panthers.

Nov 22, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones was examined for a hamstring injury during the Week 11 loss to the Saints. He missed the next game

Dec 9, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones aggravated his hamstring injury after coming out of a Week 13 game against the Saint. He closed out the 2020 season with four straight missed games

Sep 26, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones picked up a hamstring injury during Week 3's win over the Colts. He missed two games

Oct 18, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Julio re-injured his hamstring in Week 6's game against the Bills. He didn't miss any game

Oct 27, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones missed Week 8's game against the Colts due to a hamstring injury.

Nov 11, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Jones missed three games due to a hamstring injury.

Dec 19, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Jones aggravated a hamstring injury in Tennessee's Week 15 loss to Pittsburgh. He was cleared for the next game.
Well he did play in a heck of a lot more games than Thomas did over the last two seasons. Plus, Julio did play in their last playoff game. I’d expect him to be healthy and ready for training camps. It’s not like he has a big injury history in his career.

AsylumGuido 05-11-2022 07:22 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951859)
Well he did play in a heck of a lot more games than Thomas did over the last two seasons. Plus, Julio did play in their last playoff game. I’d expect him to be healthy and ready for training camps. It’s not like he has a big injury history in his career.
You just quoted a big injury history. LOL!

Boston Saint 05-11-2022 07:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951860)
You just quoted a big injury history. LOL!
Still missed fewer games than Thomas over the last two seasons. And I said over his career.

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 07:01 AM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951862)
Still missed fewer games than Thomas over the last two seasons. And I said over his career.
Thomas had an ankle injury that could happen to any player. Jones' recent history, as documented excellently by saintsfan1976, shows signs of chronic hamstring issues which have sidetracked many a career. Surgery can fix ankle issues. Hamstring issues have more to do with an individual's physiology.

Regardless, you have shared your opinion on Jones. That's fine. You can have him. Hard no for me, however ... on multiple levels.

But, for the record, here is Julio Jones' expanded injury history.

DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Nov 18, 2012NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones hobbled off in the 4th quarter after re-injuring his right ankle but missed no further time.
Nov 13, 2011NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1After tweaking his right hamstring in Thursday practice, Jones re-injured it in the 2nd quarter of Week 10. He missed the following game.
Oct 9, 2011NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones strained his left hamstring in Week 5 and missed the following 2 games. He returned after the Week 8 bye.
Sep 12, 2009Non-NFLKnee Strain Grade 1Jones suffered a September knee injury that lingered throughout the 2009 season but cost him just 1 game.
Aug 5, 2013NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones dealt with tightness in both hamstrings and sat out the 1st preseason game.
Oct 7, 2013NFLPedal Foot FractureJones fractured his right foot in Week 5 against the Jets and didn't play another game until the 2nd week of the 2014 preseason.
Feb 1, 2011Non-NFLPedal Toe FractureJones broke a bone in his right foot after his final college season. He worked through it at the NFL Scouting Combine and had surgery afterward.
Dec 8, 2014NFLInguinal Hip StrainJones suffered a hip injury in Week 14 and missed the next game.
Dec 4, 2016NFLPedal Toe SprainJones sprained the big toe on his right foot and missed 2 games.
Nov 11, 2012NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1In Week 10, Jones sprained his right ankle against the Saints but played through the injury.
Sep 18, 2014NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones tweaked an ankle late in Week 2. It lingered but cost him no games.
Oct 11, 2015NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones came off the field for a few plays because of a hamstring injury but returned for the next possession.
Aug 25, 2016NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones sprained his left ankle in the 3rd preseason game but missed no time.
Sep 11, 2016NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones aggravated his left ankle sprain but played through the issue.
Sep 18, 2016NFLLeg Calf StrainJones missed no time following a Week 2 calf strain.
Jan 14, 2017NFLPedal Toe SprainJones aggravated a toe sprain on his right foot. He played through it the following week and in the Super Bowl but had surgery to remove a bunion in March.
Mar 6, 2017NFLPedal FootJones had surgery to remove a bunion from his right foot. He was medically cleared for the start of training camp but eased back in and sat out the 1st 2 preseason games.
Oct 1, 2017NFLInguinal Hip StrainJones returned from a hip flexor after Atlanta's Week 5 bye.
Nov 5, 2017NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones played through an ankle ailment. He played all 16 games in 2017.
Dec 17, 2017NFLPedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones suffered the injury early in Week 15 but played through it.
Dec 18, 2017NFLHand Thumb SprainJones had the thumb taped up but didn't miss any time.
Jun 10, 2019NFLPedal FootJones was dealing with a foot injury toward the end of last season, although he didn’t miss a game. He didn't play in preseason games. He managed to play in Week 1 against Minnesota.
Nov 24, 2019NFLShoulder A/C Joint SprainJones suffered a shoulder injury in the second quarter and left the game vs. Tampa Bay. He missed only one game
Sep 20, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones strained his left hamstring in the team's Week 2 loss to the Cowboys. He missed one game
Oct 5, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones aggravated his hamstring injury in Monday's loss to the Packers. He was inactive for Week 5 game against the Panthers.
Nov 22, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones was examined for a hamstring injury during the Week 11 loss to the Saints. He missed the next game
Dec 9, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones aggravated his hamstring injury after coming out of a Week 13 game against the Saint. He closed out the 2020 season with four straight missed games
Sep 26, 2021NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones picked up a hamstring injury during Week 3's win over the Colts. He missed two games
Oct 18, 2021NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Julio re-injured his hamstring in Week 6's game against the Bills. He didn't miss any game
Oct 27, 2021NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones missed Week 8's game against the Colts due to a hamstring injury.
Nov 11, 2021NFLThigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2Jones missed three games due to a hamstring injury.
Dec 19, 2021NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Jones aggravated a hamstring injury in Tennessee's Week 15 loss to Pittsburgh. He was cleared for the next game.

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 07:08 AM
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Michael Thomas' expanded injury history.

DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Mar 15, 2015Non-NFLInguinal Groin Sports HerniaThomas dealt with a nagging groin injury through the January playoffs and then had sports hernia surgery. He was ready to start the 2015 season.
Dec 4, 2016NFLPedal Foot SprainThomas missed Week 14 with an unspecified foot injury suffered sometime in Week 13. (He played that whole game.)
Sep 13, 2020NFLPedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3Thomas suffered a high-ankle sprain during Week 1's win over the Buccaneers. He missed a couple of weeks due to this injury
Oct 21, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Thomas sustained a hamstring injury in practice ahead of Week 7 game. He missed two games because of this injury
Dec 16, 2020NFLPedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3Thomas missed the final three games of the regular season because of his lingering ankle injury. He didn't play in the 2021 season after a setback in his rehab

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 08:28 AM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951876)
Michael Thomas' expanded injury history.

DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Mar 15, 2015Non-NFLInguinal Groin Sports HerniaThomas dealt with a nagging groin injury through the January playoffs and then had sports hernia surgery. He was ready to start the 2015 season.
Dec 4, 2016NFLPedal Foot SprainThomas missed Week 14 with an unspecified foot injury suffered sometime in Week 13. (He played that whole game.)
Sep 13, 2020NFLPedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3Thomas suffered a high-ankle sprain during Week 1's win over the Buccaneers. He missed a couple of weeks due to this injury
Oct 21, 2020NFLThigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1Thomas sustained a hamstring injury in practice ahead of Week 7 game. He missed two games because of this injury
Dec 16, 2020NFLPedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3Thomas missed the final three games of the regular season because of his lingering ankle injury. He didn't play in the 2021 season after a setback in his rehab
And you say that I like to argue with YOU??!! LOL, you have the emotional maturity of a child.

They other day you jumped on a user for saying he had doubts about Thomas’s ability to come back from injury and bragged about being an optimistic person. But now that it doesn’t suit your argument, you are saying you have doubts about Jones coming back from injury (even though he played in his team’s last game) and are being a pessimist. That’s called hypocrisy.

Did Jones finish playing last season? Yes! Did Thomas? No!
Number of games missed since the start of 2020 for Thomas..26. Number missed for Julio…14. So your post is meaningless to my points. My example of a guy who has a history of injury would be Davenport; a guy who has NEVER played a full season worth of games due to injury. Julio doesn’t fit that description at all.

You can put any spin on it you want about how an ankle injury can happen to anyone, but so what? A hamstring or achilles or MCL or concussion can happen to anyone too. Doesn’t change that Thomas has missed significant time and had setbacks during his rehab. Does ghosting your coach and training staff happen to anyone too? How about getting suspended for fighting with a teammate? Don’t recall that ever happening to Julio. But you’ve got your nose so far up the organization’s butt that you won’t acknowledge those facts.

Jones is out there. He’s available. He’s healthy (at least more so than Thomas who still has hurdles according to his coach). He’s got a wealth of experience to pass onto younger players. There is a good chance he could be had at a reasonable price (although that may be changing as I’ve heard Packers and Ravens MIGHT have interest in him). I wouldn’t mind seeing the Saints sign him at a bargain as our 4th WR. That’s my opinion. Case closed. You don’t agree, fine. But the combative nature you are taking with me isn’t going to change my mind. My reasoning is sound. Deal with it.

CheramieIII 05-12-2022 08:38 AM
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Can’t we all just get along!😊 I know coming from the guy that used to argue about the color of some shoelace’s!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 08:46 AM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 951882)
Can’t we all just get along!😊 I know coming from the guy that used to argue about the color of some shoelace’s!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can’t with Guido apparently. He’s either complaining that it’s my life’s mission to argue with him or gathering pages of information in order to…well argue with me.

frydaddy 05-12-2022 09:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951884)
I can’t with Guido apparently. He’s either complaining that it’s my life’s mission to argue with him or gathering pages of information in order to…well argue with me.
And the mystery of why he's allowed to stay just continues to deepen.

Boston Saint 05-12-2022 10:24 AM
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Just like at RB, TE, DT, and OG, the team could use help/depth at WR at this point. If Having Landry compete with Callaway/Smith/Harty/player X for spots 3-5 is the question then Id vote no; provided the resources are used elsewhere.

Edit: If he and Julio were available at the same cost I’d take Landry.

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 10:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951881)
And you say that I like to argue with YOU??!! LOL, you have the emotional maturity of a child.

They other day you jumped on a user for saying he had doubts about Thomas’s ability to come back from injury and bragged about being an optimistic person. But now that it doesn’t suit your argument, you are saying you have doubts about Jones coming back from injury (even though he played in his team’s last game) and are being a pessimist. That’s called hypocrisy.

Did Jones finish playing last season? Yes! Did Thomas? No!
Number of games missed since the start of 2020 for Thomas..26. Number missed for Julio…14. So your post is meaningless to my points. My example of a guy who has a history of injury would be Davenport; a guy who has NEVER played a full season worth of games due to injury. Julio doesn’t fit that description at all.

You can put any spin on it you want about how an ankle injury can happen to anyone, but so what? A hamstring or achilles or MCL or concussion can happen to anyone too. Doesn’t change that Thomas has missed significant time and had setbacks during his rehab. Does ghosting your coach and training staff happen to anyone too? How about getting suspended for fighting with a teammate? Don’t recall that ever happening to Julio. But you’ve got your nose so far up the organization’s butt that you won’t acknowledge those facts.

Jones is out there. He’s available. He’s healthy (at least more so than Thomas who still has hurdles according to his coach). He’s got a wealth of experience to pass onto younger players. There is a good chance he could be had at a reasonable price (although that may be changing as I’ve heard Packers and Ravens MIGHT have interest in him). I wouldn’t mind seeing the Saints sign him at a bargain as our 4th WR. That’s my opinion. Case closed. You don’t agree, fine. But the combative nature you are taking with me isn’t going to change my mind. My reasoning is sound. Deal with it.
LOL! Combative nature. :rolleyes: All I did was post comparative injury histories. I even said you have your opinion and I have mine. I didn't say another word other than posting the histories.

Relax, dude. :D I find it amusing that you didn't go off on others that mentioned not wanting Jones and pointing out his recent performance and injury history. Wonder why that is? :confused:

AsylumGuido 05-12-2022 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951893)
Just like at RB, TE, DT, and OG, the team could use help/depth at WR at this point. If Having Landry compete with Callaway/Smith/Harty/player X for spots 3-5 is the question then Id vote no; provided the resources are used elsewhere.

Edit: If he and Julio were available at the same cost I’d take Landry.
Good thing neither of us have a vote. :beer:

SmashMouth 05-12-2022 03:20 PM
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Rell&Gold 05-12-2022 04:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951893)
Just like at RB, TE, DT, and OG, the team could use help/depth at WR at this point. If Having Landry compete with Callaway/Smith/Harty/player X for spots 3-5 is the question then Id vote no; provided the resources are used elsewhere.

Edit: If he and Julio were available at the same cost I’d take Landry.
Agreed

The Dude 05-12-2022 07:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 951891)
And the mystery of why he's allowed to stay just continues to deepen.
Ignore would work except the dude quotes himself incessantly so that’s out. At least when SF was here he was on his best behavior.

frydaddy 05-12-2022 07:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 951925)
Ignore would work except the dude quotes himself incessantly so that’s out. At least when SF was here he was on his best behavior.
Yeah he's feeling himself again. Without saintfan here to hold the mirror up to him, I wonder how much worse he might get. I put him on ignore well over a year ago and I still see at least half of his posts.

AsylumGuido 05-13-2022 08:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 951925)
Ignore would work except the dude quotes himself incessantly so that’s out. At least when SF was here he was on his best behavior.
If you have someone on ignore and they quote themselves the post would not appear. A post by an ignored poster would only appear if quoted by a non-ignored poster.

As for quoting myself, I have rarely, if ever, done that. I'm not sure where you got that idea. I really can't think of a circumstance where that would be done. :confused:

SmashMouth 05-13-2022 09:57 AM
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SaintGnome 05-13-2022 03:33 PM
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Got him!

Lord_Saint83 05-13-2022 03:34 PM
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Best off-season ever

K Major 05-13-2022 03:42 PM
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Coach Allen is making it happen this off-season. Adding another WEAPON at WR. Finding & signing legit talent is how you compete in late January.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/XbKMo...giphy.gif&ct=g

ChrisXVI 05-13-2022 03:48 PM
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“wE lIkE wHaT wE hAvE iN tHe Wr RoOm.”

So glad Payton’s out of my face with that crap.

Lord_Saint83 05-13-2022 03:51 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 951983)
“wE lIkE wHaT wE hAvE iN tHe Wr RoOm.”

So glad Payton’s out of my face with that crap.


Agreed. That was nothing but ego with that

stickman 05-13-2022 04:07 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Holy Crap this thread worked!

AsylumGuido 05-13-2022 06:01 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickman (Post 951991)
Holy Crap this thread worked!
Who do we want next?

:bng:

SmashMouth 05-13-2022 06:03 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952014)
Who do we want next?

:bng:
A TE and maybe a RB ?

AsylumGuido 05-13-2022 06:05 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 952015)
A TE and maybe a RB ?
All you need to do is start a thread ...

(insert name here) Signing With Saints

Works every time.

gulfgambler 05-13-2022 06:42 PM
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Bye Tre'Quan

rezburna 05-13-2022 06:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952016)
All you need to do is start a thread ...

(insert name here) Signing With Saints

Works every time.
Witchcraft and Wizardry.

cmike 05-13-2022 06:50 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 952014)
Who do we want next?

:bng:
Can we get a thread started for 3Quans release. Don’t care how much it hurts the cap.

Boston Saint 05-13-2022 07:21 PM
Re: Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 952025)
Witchcraft and Wizardry.
With a little bit of Voo Doo!


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