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AsylumGuido 05-02-2022 04:07 PM

Jarvis Landry Signing With Saints
 
Hey, it worked with Mathieu. Maybe it'll work with Landry, too.

:D

neugey 05-02-2022 04:37 PM

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Breaking news - Honey Badger, Landry, OBJ and all former LSU Tigers are signing with the Saints for the veteran minimum :D

K Major 05-03-2022 09:09 AM

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If they do in fact sign Jarvis, who do you cut at WR? Kevin White can't seem to catch a cold but he's a solid contributor on special teams.

Personally, I'd take Southlake (Lil Jordan)Humphrey over TSmith :rolleyes:.

rezburna 05-03-2022 09:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 951375)
If they do in fact sign Jarvis, who do you cut at WR? Kevin White can't seem to catch a cold but he's a solid contributor on special teams.

Personally, I'd take Southlake (Lil Jordan)Humphrey over TSmith :rolleyes:.

I’d go ahead and cut Kevin White.

saintsfan1976 05-03-2022 09:43 AM

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Kevin White gets cut if we DON'T sign anyone.

MatthewT 05-03-2022 09:59 AM

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I believe Kevin White will get cut regardless, if he makes the team it's likely due to an injury issue. With Landry, I am kind of viewing him as an upgrade over Callaway. Not saying Callaway would get cut, but it could put Callaway or Smith on the bubble for sure.

AsylumGuido 05-03-2022 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 951382)
I believe Kevin White will get cut regardless, if he makes the team it's likely due to an injury issue. With Landry, I am kind of viewing him as an upgrade over Callaway. Not saying Callaway would get cut, but it could put Callaway or Smith on the bubble for sure.

I seriously think they have a higher opinion on Smith than some fans around here. He's been forced to assume the WR1 and WR2 duties over much of the past two years. I really think they feel he'll thrive when facing that third or fourth DB in coverage.

But, I agree that if we add a veteran QB such as Landry that White would likely be the first to go.

K Major 05-03-2022 10:36 AM

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Dennis Allen’s team now.

Going up & grabbing Olave is moving in the right direction at WR.

Looking forward to camp and seeing different (coaches too) faces compete.

rezburna 05-03-2022 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 951384)
Dennis Allen’s team now.

Going up & grabbing Olave is moving in the right direction at WR.

Looking forward to camp and seeing different (coaches too) faces compete.

This.

Sean Payton was just saying the Saints don't need a WR in the 1st Round. Dennis Allen obviously disagreed. Payton was too stuck in his ways while the NFL was changing around him. The Rams at their peak had Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, and Odell Beckham. That's without mentioning Van Jefferson. That's three #1's. Now they have Kupp and Allen Robinson. Still two #1 options.

The Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd. The year before you had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Antonio Brown vs Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, and Travis Kelce. That receiver/tight end room has to go crazy to compete. In truth, we still need one more moving piece like Odell Beckham or Jarvis Landry to seal the deal. It gives you the depth to make it through injuries and also makes you close to unstoppable when everybody is fully healthy because most teams don't have a good enough DB room to handle all that. However...we do.

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 10:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951385)
This.

Sean Payton was just saying the Saints don't need a WR in the 1st Round. Dennis Allen obviously disagreed. Payton was too stuck in his ways while the NFL was changing around him. The Rams at their peak had Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, and Odell Beckham. That's without mentioning Van Jefferson. That's three #1's. Now they have Kupp and Allen Robinson. Still two #1 options.

The Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd. The year before you had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Antonio Brown vs Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, and Travis Kelce. That receiver/tight end room has to go crazy to compete. In truth, we still need one more moving piece like Odell Beckham or Jarvis Landry to seal the deal. It gives you the depth to make it through injuries and also makes you close to unstoppable when everybody is fully healthy because most teams don't have a good enough DB room to handle all that. However...we do.

Mebbe.... we'll see if one of the rooks step up. If Landry is a WR3 , it's an expensive WR3. Not sure it's worth the price, even if we have the cap space.

Boston Saint 05-03-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951386)
Mebbe.... we'll see if one of the rooks step up. If Landry is a WR3 , it's an expensive WR3. Not sure it's worth the price, even if we have the cap space.

This is kind of how I see it too. Between Callaway, Smith, White, Harris, Lil Jordan and the undrafted FAs we’ve signed I feel confident they can come up with players that will be viable 3rd, 4th and 5th options without taking on a Landry sized contract. I’d almost rather see that money used on D line depth or maybe Ebron as TE help or even a bet RB like Lindsay to help when Kamara misses games.

saintsfan1976 05-03-2022 11:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951386)
Mebbe.... we'll see if one of the rooks step up. If Landry is a WR3 , it's an expensive WR3. Not sure it's worth the price, even if we have the cap space.

To Rez's point we've done the "let's see who steps up" for some time now. It's no coincidence that the Rams with three bad ass WRs went to one SB with a mediocre QB and won it with a real QB.

I think Jarvis is imperative and without checking dead money, would think we'd cut 2-3 WRs to make room for him.

Easop, White, Merritt, Baker.... all candidates to be cut

saintsfan1976 05-03-2022 11:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951385)
This.

Sean Payton was just saying the Saints don't need a WR in the 1st Round. Dennis Allen obviously disagreed. Payton was too stuck in his ways while the NFL was changing around him. The Rams at their peak had Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, and Odell Beckham. That's without mentioning Van Jefferson. That's three #1's. Now they have Kupp and Allen Robinson. Still two #1 options.

The Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd. The year before you had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Antonio Brown vs Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, and Travis Kelce. That receiver/tight end room has to go crazy to compete. In truth, we still need one more moving piece like Odell Beckham or Jarvis Landry to seal the deal. It gives you the depth to make it through injuries and also makes you close to unstoppable when everybody is fully healthy because most teams don't have a good enough DB room to handle all that. However...we do.

I read an article that basically ended with the question "Can Dennis Allen win the type of games Brees / Payton seemingly won for the team?"

I wonder how many games DA will win by following a less predictable gameplan and stubbornness.

K Major 05-03-2022 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951390)
To Rez's point we've done the "let's see who steps up" for some time now. It's no coincidence that the Rams with three bad ass WRs went to one SB with a mediocre QB and won it with a real QB.

I think Jarvis is imperative and without checking dead money, would think we'd cut 2-3 WRs to make room for him.

Easop, White, Merritt, Baker.... all candidates to be cut

I’m with you here.

Enough of the development guys. Brees is long gone.

You need legit threats 1-3 in the NFL.

Boston Saint 05-03-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 951392)
I’m with you here.

Enough of the development guys. Brees is long gone.

You need legit threats 1-3 in the NFL.

IDK Major, Callaway had 45 receptions for 700 yards and 6 TDs going against number one CBs with Hill, Book, and Semien throwing to him for over half the season. I’d say that’s pretty legit if that’s your third guy. That’s about what Kupp had in his first year of starting.

stickman 05-03-2022 12:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951385)
This.

Sean Payton was just saying the Saints don't need a WR in the 1st Round. Dennis Allen obviously disagreed. Payton was too stuck in his ways while the NFL was changing around him.

Drew had Payton spoiled. He could make any WR they picked up look good.

turbo_dog 05-03-2022 12:21 PM

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If nobody else signs we'll have Thomas, Olave, Smith/Callaway. Plus Deonte Harris, who showed last season that he can play receiver as well. Not to mention Kawaan Baker from the practice squad who I hope gets another shot in camp this season. And we have UDFA to check out.

Trequan and Callaway as number three receivers should be very different than when they were trying to play number one receiver.

My bigger concern is at the TE position.

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951390)
To Rez's point we've done the "let's see who steps up" for some time now. It's no coincidence that the Rams with three bad ass WRs went to one SB with a mediocre QB and won it with a real QB.

I think Jarvis is imperative and without checking dead money, would think we'd cut 2-3 WRs to make room for him.

Easop, White, Merritt, Baker.... all candidates to be cut

Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 951392)
I’m with you here.

Enough of the development guys. Brees is long gone.

You need legit threats 1-3 in the NFL.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 951393)
IDK Major, Callaway had 45 receptions for 700 yards and 6 TDs going against number one CBs with Hill, Book, and Semien throwing to him for over half the season. I’d say that’s pretty legit if that’s your third guy. That’s about what Kupp had in his first year of starting.

Do the Lambs have three expensive WRs as we speak right this very second? Asking for a friend...

neugey 05-03-2022 12:58 PM

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I'm cool with Landry, but worried about the price. Thinking a more cost-efficient veteran WR might be out there - Cole Beasley or perhaps bringing back Emmanuel Sanders.

Rell&Gold 05-03-2022 01:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951385)
This.

Sean Payton was just saying the Saints don't need a WR in the 1st Round. Dennis Allen obviously disagreed. Payton was too stuck in his ways while the NFL was changing around him. The Rams at their peak had Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, and Odell Beckham. That's without mentioning Van Jefferson. That's three #1's. Now they have Kupp and Allen Robinson. Still two #1 options.

The Bengals had Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd. The year before you had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Antonio Brown vs Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, and Travis Kelce. That receiver/tight end room has to go crazy to compete. In truth, we still need one more moving piece like Odell Beckham or Jarvis Landry to seal the deal. It gives you the depth to make it through injuries and also makes you close to unstoppable when everybody is fully healthy because most teams don't have a good enough DB room to handle all that. However...we do.

I get where you coming from I agree to an extent though. I think Sean has a point that there as well that there was quality impact Day 1 WR talent in the second. Feel like we ain't have to jump to 11 at minimum. Brand New Ferrari DA did 100 of the lot.

Rell&Gold 05-03-2022 01:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 951403)
I'm cool with Landry, but worried about the price. Thinking a more cost-efficient veteran WR might be out there - Cole Beasley or perhaps bringing back Emmanuel Sanders.

Cole Beasley would be nice

saintsfan1976 05-03-2022 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951396)
Do the Lambs have three expensive WRs as we speak right this very second? Asking for a friend...

They have a Superbowl Ring.

rezburna 05-03-2022 02:27 PM

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I get all the money concerns, but I also think with The Badger coming home both OBJ and Landry would like to do the same. I’d offer 2 years $18 million all fully guaranteed to Landry and let him wreak havoc in the slot. Calloway might have a bright future, but he’s no Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry is a high end WR2. Calloway is a low end WR2…more likely a WR3. We need undeniable talent at that position. We can’t keep doing everything the same way we always have. Some of it is great, but other stuff we have to start tweaking. The NFL is always in a flux. That Colston, Moore, Henderson, Meachem **** doesn’t work anymore. GB couldn’t get over the hump either with JUST Davante Adams.

shawnkytonk 05-03-2022 02:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951416)
I get all the money concerns, but I also think with The Badger coming home both OBJ and Landry would like to do the same. I’d offer 2 years $18 million all fully guaranteed to Landry and let him wreak havoc in the slot. Calloway might have a bright future, but he’s no Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry is a high end WR2. Calloway is a low end WR2…more likely a WR3. We need undeniable talent at that position. We can’t keep doing everything the same way we always have. Some of it is great, but other stuff we have to start tweaking. The NFL is always in a flux. That Colston, Moore, Henderson, Meachem **** doesn’t work anymore. GB couldn’t get over the hump either with JUST Davante Adams.

Agree with everything here.He's just not worth 20 mil a year, and obviously no one is going to pay him that.

AsylumGuido 05-03-2022 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 951410)
I get where you coming from I agree to an extent though. I think Sean has a point that there as well that there was quality impact Day 1 WR talent in the second. Feel like we ain't have to jump to 11 at minimum. Brand New Ferrari DA did 100 of the lot.

The point you are missing is that they didn't want just ANY WR, they wanted THAT WR and according to Loomis himself they didn't feel he would be there at #16 or #19. They may have been able to get him at #12 or #13, but that would require those teams being willing to move down. It appears #11 was their only shot where they felt confident they could get him. Loomis said today that there were other WR's that they liked, but Olave was the one that they wanted above all for several reasons. If Washington wasn't willing to make the trade from #11 they would have had to settle for what they felt was less.

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951414)
They have a Superbowl Ring.

Some WRs are no longer on the team, last time I checked.
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951416)
I get all the money concerns, but I also think with The Badger coming home both OBJ and Landry would like to do the same. I’d offer 2 years $18 million all fully guaranteed to Landry and let him wreak havoc in the slot. Calloway might have a bright future, but he’s no Jarvis Landry. Jarvis Landry is a high end WR2. Calloway is a low end WR2…more likely a WR3. We need undeniable talent at that position. We can’t keep doing everything the same way we always have. Some of it is great, but other stuff we have to start tweaking. The NFL is always in a flux. That Colston, Moore, Henderson, Meachem **** doesn’t work anymore. GB couldn’t get over the hump either with JUST Davante Adams.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 951417)
Agree with everything here.He's just not worth 20 mil a year, and obviously no one is going to pay him that.

Will Landry take a hometown discount? :popcorn:

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 03:49 PM

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saintsfan1976 05-03-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951424)
Some WRs are no longer on the team, last time I checked.

Again. Superbowl Ring.

AsylumGuido 05-03-2022 04:31 PM

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In two years $20 million per year for a front line WR will be a bargain with the way the cap is about to explode. QB numbers are already hovering around $45 million for the latest re-signings and extensions. These skyrocketing wages are mandated by the CBA as they are basically tied to league revenues which are going through the roof.

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 05:14 PM

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Current Rams roster.

SB Roster

One could make an argument that we're now similarly staffed in terms of above average/elite WRs and unknown/lesser known WRs. Of course, last year, MT was injured. OBJ was a late addition for the Lambs. OBJ spurned us, deservedly so. If Landry signs with us, we're better than the Lambs at the same WR position.

rezburna 05-03-2022 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951447)
Current Rams roster.

SB Roster

One could make an argument that we're now similarly staffed in terms of above average/elite WRs and unknown/lesser known WRs. Of course, last year, MT was injured. OBJ was a late addition for the Lambs. OBJ spurned us, deservedly so. If Landry signs with us, we're better than the Lambs at the same WR position.

Eh, I still think the Rams would have the slight edge.

Kupp > Michael Thomas
Allen Robinson > Jarvis Landry
Van Jefferson < Chris Olave

SmashMouth 05-03-2022 09:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 951452)
Eh, I still think the Rams would have the slight edge.

Kupp < Michael Thomas
Allen Robinson > Jarvis Landry
Van Jefferson < Chris Olave

FIFY.... Methinks you forgot just how good our brother "Can't Guard Mike" is. :D

BakoSaint 05-03-2022 10:19 PM

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TQS is supposedly an elite blocker. Could he put on some weight and move to guard? That way he could block without being expected to ever get open.

Boston Saint 05-03-2022 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 951456)
TQS is supposedly an elite blocker. Could he put on some weight and move to guard? That way he could block without being expected to ever get open.

Guard? No. Maybe he could bulk up and be a FB ? 🤔

saintsfan1976 05-04-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 951455)
FIFY.... Methinks you forgot just how good our brother "Can't Guard Mike" WAS. :D

FIFY.

He hath much to prove.

AsylumGuido 05-04-2022 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951484)
FIFY.

He hath much to prove.

I would possibly agree with you if Thomas' game was based upon some incredible athletic ability like speed, but his strength comes from his precise route running, ability to read the defender, and his outstanding hands. I have every confidence the proof that you are needing to see will be readily available.

In ways he reminds me of Jerry Rice. Both have a great work ethic, desire, and great hands. Thomas had a pedestrian 40 time of 4.57. Rice was a well below average 4.71. I don't expect Thomas to have lost anything that made him great.

saintsfan1976 05-04-2022 08:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951490)
I would possibly agree with you if Thomas' game was based upon some incredible athletic ability like speed, but his strength comes from his precise route running, ability to read the defender, and his outstanding hands. I have every confidence the proof that you are needing to see will be readily available.

In ways he reminds me of Jerry Rice. Both have a great work ethic, desire, and great hands. Thomas had a pedestrian 40 time of 4.57. Rice was a well below average 4.71. I don't expect Thomas to have lost anything that made him great.

And he needs both ankles to accomplish all that, no?

I want to see how the 100 million dollar man moves after a year away.

AsylumGuido 05-04-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951493)
And he needs both ankles to accomplish all that, no?

I want to see how the 100 million dollar man moves after a year away.

He was still making those plays on the bad ankle. It appears I have more faith in modern medicine I suppose. Methinks you have more of an issue with the $100 million and what transpired than his ankle. Could there be a shade of truth to that? ;)

saintsfan1976 05-04-2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 951495)
He was still making those plays on the bad ankle. It appears I have more faith in modern medicine I suppose. Methinks you have more of an issue with the $100 million and what transpired than his ankle. Could there be a shade of truth to that? ;)

You thinks wrong. I'm not insinuating anything.

Here's a recap:
- Back to back 1,00yd seasons with Drew Brees.
- September 2020 sprains ankle, misses four games
- Hamstring before he can return, misses two more games
- Plays six games, zero TDs
- Ankle causes him to miss the remainder of the regular season
- To his credit, gutted out two playoff games on a bad ankle (5 rec 1 TD)
- Surgery delayed until June, misses entire 2021 season

So here we are. A top 5 compensated WR coming off ankle surgery who hasn't played a game since January of 2021.

You're damned right I want to see how he moves on that ankle.

K Major 05-04-2022 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 951501)
You thinks wrong. I'm not insinuating anything.

Here's a recap:
- Back to back 1,00yd seasons with Drew Brees.
- September 2020 sprains ankle, misses four games
- Hamstring before he can return, misses two more games
- Plays six games, zero TDs
- Ankle causes him to miss the remainder of the regular season
- To his credit, gutted out two playoff games on a bad ankle (5 rec 1 TD)
- Surgery delayed until June, misses entire 2021 season

So here we are. A top 5 compensated WR coming off ankle surgery who hasn't played a game since January of 2021.

You're damned right I want to see how he moves on that ankle.

The most critical piece for me was the lack of communication with coaches, medical staff, and team physicians.

Return a phone call, let people know the status of your ankle/rehab and what not. Mrs. Benson is paying you a TON of money.

But who knows what's inside the minds of star athletes :smokin:.


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