Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB

halloween 65 · 08-20-2022, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not a fan of him as a head coach yet. He talks to the media as though he is addressing the players and you don't just "clean up" a lack of discipline... which is what excess penalties and a lack of ball control is.

We also have a scoring problem with 8 quarters of football and only 2 TDs.

I'm not high on him. Payton give him everything he could to polish him up as a DC even a tutor, then handed over the keys to the kingdom. Now he's out of Paytons soft built nest. Not looking like those wings have any flap to them so far.

rezburna · 08-20-2022, 08:52 AM

I never liked Dennis Allen as a head coach. However, I’m not holding these pre season games against him. We saw a small glimpse of what I believe the Saints offense will look like on their first drive of the pre season. We also so what the defense is going to do in that first game as well. Half of these guys that were playing won’t be on the team soon. I can’t wait to see Winston, Kamara, Thomas, Landry, and Olave.

iceshack149 · 08-20-2022, 11:38 AM

It's just preseason where the top players haven't played and the play calling is vanilla. I was impressed with Dennis Allen's one game as HC last year against the Bucs and I'm betting he learned a lot from the Raiders experience.
This team will be great when the studs are in.

BakoSaint · 08-20-2022, 12:20 PM

I dont think preseason means anything but I do think previous regular seasons with other teams mean something. Based on that Dennis Allen’s tenure with the Raiders is more worrying than Jameis Winstons with the Bucs because a dumpster fire is harder to overcome than a mixed bag. I hope Dennis Allen becomes the next Belichick but I think the odds are that a consistent 4-12 guy does not make the playoffs. Its hard to reconcile with our improved roster but I feel DA is our biggest question mark, in addition to durability of an old and injury prone roster.

Boston Saint · 08-20-2022, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I dont think preseason means anything but I do think previous regular seasons with other teams mean something. Based on that Dennis Allen’s tenure with the Raiders is more worrying than Jameis Winstons with the Bucs because a dumpster fire is harder to overcome than a mixed bag. I hope Dennis Allen becomes the next Belichick but I think the odds are that a consistent 4-12 guy does not make the playoffs. Its hard to reconcile with our improved roster but I feel DA is our biggest question mark, in addition to durability of an old and injury prone roster.

Well, since you mentioned Belichick, his first 3 years as HC were losing records as well as 5 of his first 6 seasons. His last year in Cleveland he was 5-11 then he was 5-11 his next season (first at NE). The 4-12 record Allen had at the dysfunctional Raiders is more on the organization and talent level than his coaching IMO. Time will tell though.

Thirty3 · 08-20-2022, 01:57 PM

I'm ok with the team and coaching at this point. Holding judgement till after the real bullets fly. Pre season is pre season.

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2022, 01:59 PM

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4everSaint · 08-20-2022, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not a fan of him as a head coach yet. He talks to the media as though he is addressing the players and you don't just "clean up" a lack of discipline... which is what excess penalties and a lack of ball control is.

We also have a scoring problem with 8 quarters of football and only 2 TDs.

Me either. But I think mine is a bit more on a personal level. I just flat out miss Sean and Drew. I know you can't get that back. But that was just so much fun for so long. Losing Drew was inevitable. But to then lose Coach Payton right behind him was just kind of a lot to take. For me personally anyway.

So then you bring up the question of someone like Ian Book. Right now, there really is no reason for him to be with the Saints. And Payton was the guy that picked him. Garrett Grayson anyone?

I just hope Pete doesn't leave any time soon. There is no way DA can dial up the creative stuff Sean did.

I can remember a pre-game segment where Drew was talking about how much time Coach Payton and Carmichael put in each weak to be creative with the offense. So how does Dennis do this? Can he?. Or... Are we hoping to win some low scoring games? Is that even doable in this era? I doubt it.

I hope like hell he shows me something different.

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2022, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

Me either. But I think mine is a bit more on a personal level. I just flat out miss Sean and Drew. I know you can't get that back. But that was just so much fun for so long. Losing Drew was inevitable. But to then lose Coach Payton right behind him was just kind of a lot to take. For me personally anyway.

So then you bring up the question of someone like Ian Book. Right now, there really is no reason for him to be with the Saints. And Payton was the guy that picked him. Garrett Grayson anyone?

I just hope Pete doesn't leave any time soon. There is no way DA can dial up the creative stuff Sean did.

I can remember a pre-game segment where Drew was talking about how much time Coach Payton and Carmichael put in each weak to be creative with the offense. So how does Dennis do this? Can he?. Or... Are we hoping to win some low scoring games? Is that even doable in this era? I doubt it.

I hope like hell he shows me something different.

Dennis Allen doesn't have to be involved in the offense at all for it to be successful. Quite the contrary. He's said he's leaving that to Carmichael and his staff to handle. Don't forget the week that Payton missed due to injury and Carmichael's playcalling put up 60 points!

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2022, 04:39 PM

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08-20-2022, 08:34 AM	#21
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB Originally Posted by TheOak Not a fan of him as a head coach yet. He talks to the media as though he is addressing the players and you don't just "clean up" a lack of discipline... which is what excess penalties and a lack of ball control is. We also have a scoring problem with 8 quarters of football and only 2 TDs. I'm not high on him. Payton give him everything he could to polish him up as a DC even a tutor, then handed over the keys to the kingdom. Now he's out of Paytons soft built nest. Not looking like those wings have any flap to them so far.

08-20-2022, 08:52 AM	#22
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB I never liked Dennis Allen as a head coach. However, I’m not holding these pre season games against him. We saw a small glimpse of what I believe the Saints offense will look like on their first drive of the pre season. We also so what the defense is going to do in that first game as well. Half of these guys that were playing won’t be on the team soon. I can’t wait to see Winston, Kamara, Thomas, Landry, and Olave. leilung, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

08-20-2022, 11:38 AM	#23
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB It's just preseason where the top players haven't played and the play calling is vanilla. I was impressed with Dennis Allen's one game as HC last year against the Bucs and I'm betting he learned a lot from the Raiders experience. This team will be great when the studs are in. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and FinSaint like this.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB I dont think preseason means anything but I do think previous regular seasons with other teams mean something. Based on that Dennis Allen’s tenure with the Raiders is more worrying than Jameis Winstons with the Bucs because a dumpster fire is harder to overcome than a mixed bag. I hope Dennis Allen becomes the next Belichick but I think the odds are that a consistent 4-12 guy does not make the playoffs. Its hard to reconcile with our improved roster but I feel DA is our biggest question mark, in addition to durability of an old and injury prone roster.
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08-20-2022, 12:36 PM	#25
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB Originally Posted by BakoSaint I dont think preseason means anything but I do think previous regular seasons with other teams mean something. Based on that Dennis Allen’s tenure with the Raiders is more worrying than Jameis Winstons with the Bucs because a dumpster fire is harder to overcome than a mixed bag. I hope Dennis Allen becomes the next Belichick but I think the odds are that a consistent 4-12 guy does not make the playoffs. Its hard to reconcile with our improved roster but I feel DA is our biggest question mark, in addition to durability of an old and injury prone roster. Well, since you mentioned Belichick, his first 3 years as HC were losing records as well as 5 of his first 6 seasons. His last year in Cleveland he was 5-11 then he was 5-11 his next season (first at NE). The 4-12 record Allen had at the dysfunctional Raiders is more on the organization and talent level than his coaching IMO. Time will tell though. iceshack149, SaintFanInATLHELL, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

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4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 831	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB Originally Posted by TheOak Not a fan of him as a head coach yet. He talks to the media as though he is addressing the players and you don't just "clean up" a lack of discipline... which is what excess penalties and a lack of ball control is. We also have a scoring problem with 8 quarters of football and only 2 TDs. Me either. But I think mine is a bit more on a personal level. I just flat out miss Sean and Drew. I know you can't get that back. But that was just so much fun for so long. Losing Drew was inevitable. But to then lose Coach Payton right behind him was just kind of a lot to take. For me personally anyway. So then you bring up the question of someone like Ian Book. Right now, there really is no reason for him to be with the Saints. And Payton was the guy that picked him. Garrett Grayson anyone? I just hope Pete doesn't leave any time soon. There is no way DA can dial up the creative stuff Sean did. I can remember a pre-game segment where Drew was talking about how much time Coach Payton and Carmichael put in each weak to be creative with the offense. So how does Dennis do this? Can he?. Or... Are we hoping to win some low scoring games? Is that even doable in this era? I doubt it. I hope like hell he shows me something different.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations from the Saints' preseason loss @ GB Originally Posted by 4everSaint Me either. But I think mine is a bit more on a personal level. I just flat out miss Sean and Drew. I know you can't get that back. But that was just so much fun for so long. Losing Drew was inevitable. But to then lose Coach Payton right behind him was just kind of a lot to take. For me personally anyway. So then you bring up the question of someone like Ian Book. Right now, there really is no reason for him to be with the Saints. And Payton was the guy that picked him. Garrett Grayson anyone? I just hope Pete doesn't leave any time soon. There is no way DA can dial up the creative stuff Sean did. I can remember a pre-game segment where Drew was talking about how much time Coach Payton and Carmichael put in each weak to be creative with the offense. So how does Dennis do this? Can he?. Or... Are we hoping to win some low scoring games? Is that even doable in this era? I doubt it. I hope like hell he shows me something different. Dennis Allen doesn't have to be involved in the offense at all for it to be successful. Quite the contrary. He's said he's leaving that to Carmichael and his staff to handle. Don't forget the week that Payton missed due to injury and Carmichael's playcalling put up 60 points!

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