Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers

K Major · 09-20-2022, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I think what K is talking about is the run game part of the play calling. Guys were getting 4 and 5 yards a clip. The game was close enough that you could still run the ball even after they scored that td. Take what the defense is giving you. We played right into their hands. Running the ball like we were would of forced safeties to play closer and open up the passing lanes

5.1 yards a pop ... against a good defense.

Keep pounding with the run game.

Tampa had little success running with LF, but they never gave up on it.

papz · 09-20-2022, 12:16 PM

I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution.

I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me.

If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter.

Boston Saint · 09-20-2022, 12:33 PM

Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled.

The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2022, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

4 my brother.. 5 is pushing it lol

Let's give him 2 more weeks..
If he's hurt, he's hurt man.

It's his time.. it's just very unfortunate now he has 4 fractures to contend with also.
Damn the luck

Pulling for him

Just realized..
I think we're thinking the same thing on the week 5 move with 4 games to prove it.
I agree with You also then👍👍

I just think giving him 3 weeks injured may be a bit much.

We're about to find out regardless right?
Buckle up soldier

I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did

Boston Saint · 09-20-2022, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did

There’s something to be said for this…especially if your starting QB isn’t clearly better than your backup. If Winston is hurt, I’d bring out the Red Rifle.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2022, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled.

The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought.

Cousins has always been a mixed bag. Until he plays us for some damn reason but I still say not playing starters in the preseason will have this chemistry and timing issue. KC started their starters and they look in sync.

Pete · 09-20-2022, 12:55 PM

Respectfully Papz, what if pressure caused him to miss these reads not being able to get to them?
That deep shot takes the longest to reveal itself I guess correct but what if that was all that's left..
You throw it away correct

"Jameis if you think you see the deep shot no risk it no biscuit that mutha"..
Maybe that's a place in the game you gamble and pretty much call that throw a punt if nothing was there?
I think there's a chance of that but I've been called crazy before.

It's puzzling and I'll just need a couple more weeks to choose how I want to view it.
I'm not trying to make excuses for him at all man.

It's going to be what it's gunna be in the end, and naturally of course I'm trying to see the what-ifs in it all being that, I don't think it's as cut and dry as some may think either.

Too many moving parts

I'm pulling for Jameis 100% but I think a couple more weeks of bad game film evaluated by the ones knowing exactly what was called settles it.
If Jameis' is not executing and truly missing he gets the hook going into week 5.
I'm good with that

The dudes injured man that cannot help his cause/performance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this will not be the first nor the last time. I do know that to be Fact lol

Let's go kick the panthers ass

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2022, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled.

The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought.

Originally Posted by papz

I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution.

I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me.

If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter.

Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves

shawnkytonk · 09-20-2022, 01:05 PM

Winston gives us the best chance to win. Plain and simple. I'm not ready to write him off after this one game. It's evident he's still developing chemistry with the WRs. Thomas and Olave are about to go off.

Boston Saint · 09-20-2022, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

5.1 yards a pop ... against a good defense.

Keep pounding with the run game.

Tampa had little success running with LF, but they never gave up on it.

Except you CAN'T fumble!

09-20-2022, 11:44 AM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I think what K is talking about is the run game part of the play calling. Guys were getting 4 and 5 yards a clip. The game was close enough that you could still run the ball even after they scored that td. Take what the defense is giving you. We played right into their hands. Running the ball like we were would of forced safeties to play closer and open up the passing lanes 5.1 yards a pop ... against a good defense. Keep pounding with the run game. Tampa had little success running with LF, but they never gave up on it. Boston Saint likes this.

09-20-2022, 12:16 PM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution. I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me. If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter. dizzle88 and Boston Saint like this.
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09-20-2022, 12:33 PM	#13
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled. The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought. Lord_Saint83 likes this.

09-20-2022, 12:46 PM	#14
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Pete 4 my brother.. 5 is pushing it lol Let's give him 2 more weeks.. If he's hurt, he's hurt man. It's his time.. it's just very unfortunate now he has 4 fractures to contend with also. Damn the luck Pulling for him Just realized.. I think we're thinking the same thing on the week 5 move with 4 games to prove it. I agree with You also then👍👍 I just think giving him 3 weeks injured may be a bit much. We're about to find out regardless right? Buckle up soldier I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did K Major and Boston Saint like this.

09-20-2022, 12:51 PM	#15
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did There’s something to be said for this…especially if your starting QB isn’t clearly better than your backup. If Winston is hurt, I’d bring out the Red Rifle. jnormand likes this.

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09-20-2022, 12:54 PM	#16
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled. The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought. Cousins has always been a mixed bag. Until he plays us for some damn reason but I still say not playing starters in the preseason will have this chemistry and timing issue. KC started their starters and they look in sync. Boston Saint likes this.

09-20-2022, 12:55 PM	#17
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,741	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Respectfully Papz, what if pressure caused him to miss these reads not being able to get to them? That deep shot takes the longest to reveal itself I guess correct but what if that was all that's left.. You throw it away correct "Jameis if you think you see the deep shot no risk it no biscuit that mutha".. Maybe that's a place in the game you gamble and pretty much call that throw a punt if nothing was there? I think there's a chance of that but I've been called crazy before. It's puzzling and I'll just need a couple more weeks to choose how I want to view it. I'm not trying to make excuses for him at all man. It's going to be what it's gunna be in the end, and naturally of course I'm trying to see the what-ifs in it all being that, I don't think it's as cut and dry as some may think either. Too many moving parts I'm pulling for Jameis 100% but I think a couple more weeks of bad game film evaluated by the ones knowing exactly what was called settles it. If Jameis' is not executing and truly missing he gets the hook going into week 5. I'm good with that The dudes injured man that cannot help his cause/performance. Maybe I'm wrong, but this will not be the first nor the last time. I do know that to be Fact lol Let's go kick the panthers ass Lord_Saint83 and Boston Saint like this.
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09-20-2022, 01:03 PM	#18
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled. The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought. Originally Posted by papz I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution. I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me. If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter. Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves jnormand and K Major like this.

09-20-2022, 01:05 PM	#19
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Winston gives us the best chance to win. Plain and simple. I'm not ready to write him off after this one game. It's evident he's still developing chemistry with the WRs. Thomas and Olave are about to go off. cmike, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

09-20-2022, 01:38 PM	#20
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,868	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by K Major 5.1 yards a pop ... against a good defense. Keep pounding with the run game. Tampa had little success running with LF, but they never gave up on it. Except you CAN'T fumble!