Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers

Boston Saint · 09-20-2022, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves

Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is.

papz · 09-20-2022, 02:50 PM

I don't think any one of us wants to see Jameis fail. He does give us our best chance at making the playoffs. We just can't be reliant on his arm in doing so. Bad things happen when Jameis throws the ball a lot. It didn't work in Tampa and it won't here. That's something I hope Allen and Carmichael realize sooner than later. Nothing wrong with managing a game, running the football, and playing defense.

The Dude · 09-20-2022, 02:57 PM

About the only positive I can take from this game is the major improvement along the offensive line against one of the leagues best defenses. Winston and Olave should be working overtime this week to get their timing down. Some of those balls were so off target I have a hard time putting the blame on Olave.
I’ve been a Winston supporter and admire the hell out of his toughness, leadership, and attitude but I hope DA doesn’t wait until it’s too late to make a switch if it comes to that. I think Dalton could have a good year with us .

K Major · 09-20-2022, 03:03 PM

LB Pete Werner: 88.4

Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage.

Not a lot of talking, just does his job well.

Pete · 09-20-2022, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

LB Pete Werner: 88.4

Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage.

Not a lot of talking, just does his job well.

That dude is Old School Legit and to watch his demeanor makes me have hope that real football is not dead!

We need 3 more of him

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2022, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is.

I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-20-2022, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

LB Pete Werner: 88.4

Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage.

Not a lot of talking, just does his job well.

I was sooo wrong about Pete. I’m glad to eat crow on that. Looks like I’ll have to eat some crow for Alontae too

AsylumGuido · 09-20-2022, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go.

Disc issues are WAY worse that vertebral fractures. You can have the only nerves affected in a fracture being the ones around the bone itself. Non-spinal. Someone here pointed out mobility possibly being an issue. The team said they strapped padding over the fractured area. That would have be around the hips. I would imagine that could hinder the rotation of the hips in the throwing motion. I mentioned possibly modifying the padding with more time to be less restrictive, yet still provide some protection.

AsylumGuido · 09-20-2022, 04:42 PM

Okay, got the scoop on the Winston injury. According to Dr. David Chou what Jameis is dealing with are fractures to the Transverse process, which is "a small bony projection off the right and left side of each vertebrae". Dr. Chou said there is no chance of further injury and dealing with the local pain is the only issue. Local pain-killers can alleviate that.

This is the same type of injury that Tony Romo played with a few years ago and other players have, as well. In other words, we really can't blame the injury itself on Winston's performance. The padding, maybe, but not the actual injury.

K Major · 09-20-2022, 04:55 PM

The bottom line is Winston needs to play better. He's performed poorly for two straight weeks. Lack of pocket awareness, holding the ball too long whatever, do better.

Now if he's injured and needs to get healthy, have a seat. Dalton is more than capable vs Carolina.

We all just want to win.

09-20-2022, 02:43 PM	#21
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is. Pete and Lord_Saint83 like this.

09-20-2022, 02:50 PM	#22
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers I don't think any one of us wants to see Jameis fail. He does give us our best chance at making the playoffs. We just can't be reliant on his arm in doing so. Bad things happen when Jameis throws the ball a lot. It didn't work in Tampa and it won't here. That's something I hope Allen and Carmichael realize sooner than later. Nothing wrong with managing a game, running the football, and playing defense. iceshack149, Pete, cmike and 2 others like this.

09-20-2022, 02:57 PM	#23
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers About the only positive I can take from this game is the major improvement along the offensive line against one of the leagues best defenses. Winston and Olave should be working overtime this week to get their timing down. Some of those balls were so off target I have a hard time putting the blame on Olave. I’ve been a Winston supporter and admire the hell out of his toughness, leadership, and attitude but I hope DA doesn’t wait until it’s too late to make a switch if it comes to that. I think Dalton could have a good year with us . Pete and Boston Saint like this.
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09-20-2022, 03:03 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers LB Pete Werner: 88.4 Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage. Not a lot of talking, just does his job well. Lord_Saint83 and Boston Saint like this.

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Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,753	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by K Major LB Pete Werner: 88.4 Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage. Not a lot of talking, just does his job well. That dude is Old School Legit and to watch his demeanor makes me have hope that real football is not dead! We need 3 more of him Lord_Saint83 likes this.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is. I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go. Pete and Boston Saint like this.

09-20-2022, 03:09 PM	#27
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by K Major LB Pete Werner: 88.4 Another outstanding game ^^ & is good in coverage. Not a lot of talking, just does his job well. I was sooo wrong about Pete. I’m glad to eat crow on that. Looks like I’ll have to eat some crow for Alontae too Pete and K Major like this.

09-20-2022, 03:38 PM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go. Disc issues are WAY worse that vertebral fractures. You can have the only nerves affected in a fracture being the ones around the bone itself. Non-spinal. Someone here pointed out mobility possibly being an issue. The team said they strapped padding over the fractured area. That would have be around the hips. I would imagine that could hinder the rotation of the hips in the throwing motion. I mentioned possibly modifying the padding with more time to be less restrictive, yet still provide some protection.

09-20-2022, 04:42 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers Okay, got the scoop on the Winston injury. According to Dr. David Chou what Jameis is dealing with are fractures to the Transverse process, which is "a small bony projection off the right and left side of each vertebrae". Dr. Chou said there is no chance of further injury and dealing with the local pain is the only issue. Local pain-killers can alleviate that. This is the same type of injury that Tony Romo played with a few years ago and other players have, as well. In other words, we really can't blame the injury itself on Winston's performance. The padding, maybe, but not the actual injury.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

09-20-2022, 04:55 PM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers The bottom line is Winston needs to play better. He's performed poorly for two straight weeks. Lack of pocket awareness, holding the ball too long whatever, do better. Now if he's injured and needs to get healthy, have a seat. Dalton is more than capable vs Carolina. We all just want to win. Pete likes this.