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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Pete I think everybody as far as play calling and game planning goes has a little bit of fault in this starting from the top down. Defense has done their job Offense on the 1st drive was ...

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Old 09-20-2022, 11:29 AM   #1
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Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers

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I think everybody as far as play calling and game planning goes has a little bit of fault in this starting from the top down.

Defense has done their job
Offense on the 1st drive was effective.. Did the play calling change or did Tampa adjust that quickly?

Who knows what's really going on right now..

Dennis trying to make a name for himself and put his stamp on things making his direction known on how he wants it to go and Pete following suite?

Carmichael has made some questionable calls that were blew up.
Happens to the best of them at some point or another.
The Ingram 2 pt conversion and the Taysom sub/ins come to mind.
Expand the pkg and plays when he's in...
Payton did the same

Just hoping it clicks soon and that the lightbulb comes on, and if Jameis needs to sit they don't waste time in making the decision.

Jameis has made big mistakes no doubt.
I think he was still rattled from the first game getting slammed around.
I'm pulling for the dude no doubt but it should be very clear what this thing is going to be as a whole sooner rather than later.

Maybe now he's cautious with the back issue and it's a subliminal thing.
It's definitely apparent he's hesitant to scramble and run for it probably due to avoiding potential collision.

History shows that when he's forced to make these comebacks it's feast or famine .
He's only human man.
Yes, some of that is due to his own shortcomings and also shooting himself in the foot throughout the game .

I think it's still too early to write him off.

I'm not making any excuses for him it's just alot of moving parts that need to be figured out from within imo.
Was it all on Jameis or is he being guided to read a certain way?

New regime probably outsmarting themselves.

I just think it's too early

I agree Pete. If he’s playing like this come week 5 then yea, you can make a switch.
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Old 09-20-2022, 11:41 AM   #2
 
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4 my brother.. 5 is pushing it lol

Let's give him 2 more weeks..
If he's hurt, he's hurt man.

It's his time.. it's just very unfortunate now he has 4 fractures to contend with also.
Damn the luck

Pulling for him

Just realized..
I think we're thinking the same thing on the week 5 move with 4 games to prove it.
I agree with You also then👍👍

I just think giving him 3 weeks injured may be a bit much.

We're about to find out regardless right?
Buckle up soldier
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Old 09-20-2022, 12:46 PM   #3
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4 my brother.. 5 is pushing it lol

Let's give him 2 more weeks..
If he's hurt, he's hurt man.

It's his time.. it's just very unfortunate now he has 4 fractures to contend with also.
Damn the luck

Pulling for him

Just realized..
I think we're thinking the same thing on the week 5 move with 4 games to prove it.
I agree with You also then👍👍

I just think giving him 3 weeks injured may be a bit much.

We're about to find out regardless right?
Buckle up soldier


I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did
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Old 09-20-2022, 12:51 PM   #4
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I’am pulling for him too. But the team comes first. I rather him shut it down for a few weeks and come back mid season, instead of trying to play the whole season hurt. Like Mayfield did
There’s something to be said for this…especially if your starting QB isn’t clearly better than your backup. If Winston is hurt, I’d bring out the Red Rifle.
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Old 09-20-2022, 12:16 PM   #5
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Re: Best and worst Saints PFF player grades from Week 2 vs. Buccaneers

I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution.

I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me.

If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter.
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Respectfully Papz, what if pressure caused him to miss these reads not being able to get to them?
That deep shot takes the longest to reveal itself I guess correct but what if that was all that's left..
You throw it away correct


"Jameis if you think you see the deep shot no risk it no biscuit that mutha"..
Maybe that's a place in the game you gamble and pretty much call that throw a punt if nothing was there?
I think there's a chance of that but I've been called crazy before.

It's puzzling and I'll just need a couple more weeks to choose how I want to view it.
I'm not trying to make excuses for him at all man.

It's going to be what it's gunna be in the end, and naturally of course I'm trying to see the what-ifs in it all being that, I don't think it's as cut and dry as some may think either.

Too many moving parts

I'm pulling for Jameis 100% but I think a couple more weeks of bad game film evaluated by the ones knowing exactly what was called settles it.
If Jameis' is not executing and truly missing he gets the hook going into week 5.
I'm good with that

The dudes injured man that cannot help his cause/performance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this will not be the first nor the last time. I do know that to be Fact lol

Let's go kick the panthers ass
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Agree mostly papz. To his credit in post game Winston admitted he needs to be better. The run game was great!....until the fumble and then we struggled.

The Jekyll/Hyde nature you describe of Winston may be par for the course for NFL QBs. Look at Cousins last week vs this week. Look at Murray. Burroughs is still finding his way. Hell, Brady had a mediocre week. Just food for thought.
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I agree that we should have ran the ball more and take what the defense was giving us. They were also giving us those short and intermediate routes all game as well. The game plan wasn't bad at all. We took deep shots that opened up running lanes and routes underneath. We failed to take advantage of it. We lost. He calls the plays so blame lies there as well. But the main reason we didn't have success Sunday was due to execution.

I think a lot of people keep trying to make excuses for Jameis. He is what he is. He has been his whole career. He's going to look like an All Pro one week and a pile of dung the next. Do people really believe our OC told our quarterback to develop tunnel vision and keep forcing the ball downfield? Even the suggestion of that is crazy to me.

If we have to rely on Jameis arm to be successful this year, it's going to be a very frustrating season to watch. Lots of highs and lots of lows. He needs to be smarter.

Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves
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Fair enough but here’s a question for you. What if they put Dalton in there and he plays bad too then what? His stats the last few years aren’t the greatest. Game manager at best. Last three years 38 tds to 31 ints. I like Andy and if they start him, imma root for him but if we’re expecting him to be Drew or close to him. I think we’re lying to ourselves
Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is.
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Well, then you put Winston back in after some rest to heal. I think Winston should be in if he is healthy.....I'm not sure his is.

I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go.
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I don’t think he is either, Bos. You can tell his deep ball accuracy which is his biggest strength was very off. A lot of sailed passes too. It’s a miracle he can even walk. I had a L3 bulged disk pushing on a nerve and sometimes it would take me two minutes to walk across the hall to the bathroom. Put Andy in until he’s good to go.
Disc issues are WAY worse that vertebral fractures. You can have the only nerves affected in a fracture being the ones around the bone itself. Non-spinal. Someone here pointed out mobility possibly being an issue. The team said they strapped padding over the fractured area. That would have be around the hips. I would imagine that could hinder the rotation of the hips in the throwing motion. I mentioned possibly modifying the padding with more time to be less restrictive, yet still provide some protection.
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