Has the light come on for Ruiz?

AsylumGuido · 09-24-2022, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

It’s year #3.

The “light” should have been on. This isn’t some 7th rd or undrafted player we’re talking about.

I’m still waiting for the consistency- week #1 he graded poorly (46.5) on PFF.

The negative vibes run high here. No love for the fact he played an excellent game this past weekend?

Who cares what round he was drafted in or how long it takes him to become great if it happens? Every player develops differently based upon many factors. Hundreds of first round draft choices have been busts. Hundreds have been great. Hundreds have been very solid. Many players hit the ground running. Others take years to develop.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The negative vibes run high here. No love for the fact he played an excellent game this past weekend?

Who cares what round he was drafted in or how long it takes him to become great if it happens? Every player develops differently based upon many factors. Hundreds of first round draft choices have been busts. Hundreds have been great. Hundreds have been very solid. Many players hit the ground running. Others take years to develop.

C'mon Guido, you know better.

Why get excited about ONE game?

Draft status ABSOLUTELY plays into player evaluation and you know it.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

C'mon Guido, you know better.

Why get excited about ONE game?

Draft status ABSOLUTELY plays into player evaluation and you know it.

Not as far as I'm concerned. It never has been. The way I look at it every player should be seen on a level playing field when evaluated whether they were a first round pick or a UDFA.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not as far as I'm concerned. It never has been. The way I look at it every player should be seen on a level playing field when evaluated whether they were a first round pick or a UDFA.

Oh, “not as YOU see it”… LOL

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Oh, “not as YOU see it”… LOL

Nope. Not as I see it. And hopefully not as the coaches see it, either. Evaluation of players should be based upon what they actually do rather than where they were drafted.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Not as I see it. And hopefully not as the coaches see it, either. Evaluation of players should be based upon what they actually do rather than where they were drafted.

You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari.

leilung · 09-26-2022, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari.

Truth.
You pay for an expectation of performance. Whether its cash or 'draft capital', you pay the most for those you expect the most out of. Not sure about you, but I'm not throwing my ribeye on a plate with a chuck steak and tasting both to see which one is better...
My assumption is that ribeye BETTER be better! I paid for it!

TheOak · 09-26-2022, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari.

Some people just can not differentiate between expectation and evaluation.

They typically overvalue their opinions as well

AsylumGuido · 09-26-2022, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari.

Perhaps if you compare it to Little League. I would expect more from the first player drafted in a Little League baseball draft than the last few left.

On the other hand, you should have similar expectations if you are making the comparisons in a top professional league where everyone is an elite athlete. McLaren-Honda has a similar level of competitiveness as Ferrari in Formula One, do they not?

Draft status expectations are media and fan biased. Coaches undoubtedly have far more access to the individual athletes and see them as such. Individual athletes. They shouldn't care when, where, or how a player was acquired. They should only want the best performer available to them on the field.

09-25-2022, 10:19 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The negative vibes run high here. No love for the fact he played an excellent game this past weekend? Who cares what round he was drafted in or how long it takes him to become great if it happens? Every player develops differently based upon many factors. Hundreds of first round draft choices have been busts. Hundreds have been great. Hundreds have been very solid. Many players hit the ground running. Others take years to develop. C'mon Guido, you know better. Why get excited about ONE game? Draft status ABSOLUTELY plays into player evaluation and you know it. K Major likes this.

09-25-2022, 04:38 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not as far as I'm concerned. It never has been. The way I look at it every player should be seen on a level playing field when evaluated whether they were a first round pick or a UDFA. Oh, “not as YOU see it”… LOL K Major likes this.

09-25-2022, 04:45 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Oh, “not as YOU see it”… LOL Nope. Not as I see it. And hopefully not as the coaches see it, either. Evaluation of players should be based upon what they actually do rather than where they were drafted.

09-25-2022, 07:00 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Not as I see it. And hopefully not as the coaches see it, either. Evaluation of players should be based upon what they actually do rather than where they were drafted. You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari. leilung and K Major like this.

09-26-2022, 06:52 AM	#7
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,436	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari. Truth. You pay for an expectation of performance. Whether its cash or 'draft capital', you pay the most for those you expect the most out of. Not sure about you, but I'm not throwing my ribeye on a plate with a chuck steak and tasting both to see which one is better... My assumption is that ribeye BETTER be better! I paid for it! K Major likes this.

09-24-2022, 03:26 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by K Major It’s year #3. The “light” should have been on. This isn’t some 7th rd or undrafted player we’re talking about. I’m still waiting for the consistency- week #1 he graded poorly (46.5) on PFF. The negative vibes run high here. No love for the fact he played an excellent game this past weekend? Who cares what round he was drafted in or how long it takes him to become great if it happens? Every player develops differently based upon many factors. Hundreds of first round draft choices have been busts. Hundreds have been great. Hundreds have been very solid. Many players hit the ground running. Others take years to develop.

09-25-2022, 11:45 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 C'mon Guido, you know better. Why get excited about ONE game? Draft status ABSOLUTELY plays into player evaluation and you know it. Not as far as I'm concerned. It never has been. The way I look at it every player should be seen on a level playing field when evaluated whether they were a first round pick or a UDFA.

09-26-2022, 08:29 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari. Some people just can not differentiate between expectation and evaluation. They typically overvalue their opinions as well iceshack149 and K Major like this.

09-26-2022, 08:37 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You don't have the same expectations buying a honda as you do a ferrari. Perhaps if you compare it to Little League. I would expect more from the first player drafted in a Little League baseball draft than the last few left. On the other hand, you should have similar expectations if you are making the comparisons in a top professional league where everyone is an elite athlete. McLaren-Honda has a similar level of competitiveness as Ferrari in Formula One, do they not? Draft status expectations are media and fan biased. Coaches undoubtedly have far more access to the individual athletes and see them as such. Individual athletes. They shouldn't care when, where, or how a player was acquired. They should only want the best performer available to them on the field.
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