Has the light come on for Ruiz?

FinSaint · 09-26-2022, 08:44 AM

Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office?

Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him?

If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential.

I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football.

AsylumGuido · 09-26-2022, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office?

Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him?

If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential.

I don't see the connection between cars and stakes and a human being playing football.

I guess if you are drafted in the 1st round and don't look great you suck, but if you were drafted in the 6th round and look average you don't suck. At least that's the vibe I'm getting.

saintsfan1976 · 09-26-2022, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office?

Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him?

If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential.

I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football.

I wouldn't say improper evaluation is the fault of anyone necessarily. Like any relationship one side may see more than is really there out of need or want from the athlete.

the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari???

AsylumGuido · 09-26-2022, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I wouldn't say improper evaluation is the fault of anyone necessarily. Like any relationship one side may see more than is really there out of need or want from the athlete.

the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari???

Nope. Too dangerous.

But, when it comes to flank steak, how you prepare it matters. It makes a great tacos al carbon. It can be melt in your mouth tender.

FinSaint · 09-27-2022, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari???

I've always been more partial to consuming my meats in a Lambo.

TheOak · 09-27-2022, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I've always been more partial to consuming my meats in a Lambo.

I'll eat jerky in anything derivable. Never in a box with a fox though...

Boston Saint · 09-27-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I'll eat jerky in anything derivable. Never in a box with a fox though...

Just make sure you don’t drink and derive!

TheOak · 09-27-2022, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Just make sure you don’t drink and derive!

Not sure what is worse some times, my typing or my reading glasses prescription.

Boston Saint · 09-27-2022, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not sure what is worse some times, my typing or my reading glasses prescription.

They both “factor” in for us all! 😃

Edit: Can’t believe I made a calculus joke !

BakoSaint · 09-27-2022, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office?

Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him?

If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential.

I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football.

Its the scouts and front office's fault most of all if they make bad evaluations. Their job is to make good evaluations. All 32 teams have people with the job of making good evaluations. So the higher the pick the more valuable because you can take the player you evaluate most highly before others have a chance to take him. Draft position matters for the GM not so much the player, the GM has a responsibility to find stars at a good rate with high picks. To do that they need to consider talent, coachability, and motivation. If they find a motivated player whose talent is not enough to ever live up to the round they are drafted, its a miss. If they find a highly talented player you will cash the 1st round bonus check, by Nyquil, and never produce, its a miss. If they are finding 6th round talent in the 1st round, they can fly economy out of town and find a job selling cars. Ruiz might have been a fine 6th round pick. Mickey Loomis took him in the 1st round. That's on management. Its no surprise since he is about equally as good as Andrus Peat who we will pay $20 million a year forever to continually extend and restructure his contract while functioning as a Little Debbie powered human turnstyle.

09-26-2022, 08:44 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office? Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him? If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential. I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football. AsylumGuido and shawnkytonk like this.
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09-26-2022, 08:47 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by FinSaint Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office? Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him? If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential. I don't see the connection between cars and stakes and a human being playing football. I guess if you are drafted in the 1st round and don't look great you suck, but if you were drafted in the 6th round and look average you don't suck. At least that's the vibe I'm getting.

09-26-2022, 03:10 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by FinSaint Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office? Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him? If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential. I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football. I wouldn't say improper evaluation is the fault of anyone necessarily. Like any relationship one side may see more than is really there out of need or want from the athlete. the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari??? AsylumGuido likes this.

09-26-2022, 03:24 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I wouldn't say improper evaluation is the fault of anyone necessarily. Like any relationship one side may see more than is really there out of need or want from the athlete. the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari??? Nope. Too dangerous. But, when it comes to flank steak, how you prepare it matters. It makes a great tacos al carbon. It can be melt in your mouth tender.

09-27-2022, 03:02 AM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 the real question is this - would you eat a flank steak while driving a ferrari??? I've always been more partial to consuming my meats in a Lambo.

09-27-2022, 07:55 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by FinSaint I've always been more partial to consuming my meats in a Lambo. I'll eat jerky in anything derivable. Never in a box with a fox though... saintsfan1976 and Boston Saint like this.

09-27-2022, 09:13 AM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by TheOak I'll eat jerky in anything derivable. Never in a box with a fox though... Just make sure you don’t drink and derive! saintsfan1976 and TheOak like this.

09-27-2022, 01:46 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Just make sure you don’t drink and derive! Not sure what is worse some times, my typing or my reading glasses prescription. Boston Saint likes this.

09-27-2022, 02:31 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by TheOak Not sure what is worse some times, my typing or my reading glasses prescription. They both “factor” in for us all! 😃 Edit: Can’t believe I made a calculus joke ! TheOak likes this.

09-27-2022, 10:10 AM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,308	Re: Has the light come on for Ruiz? Originally Posted by FinSaint Is it the player's fault if his skills and potential have been incorrectly evaluated by the scouts and the front office? Is it the player's responsibility to live up to the expectations that come with those evaluations and the following draft capital that is spent on acquiring him? If the player is trying his best to perform to the best of his abilities - most if not all of the blame for him not meeting these expectations lay on the organization that drafted him and/or were unable to coach him up to reach his potential. I don't see the connection between cars and steakes and a human being playing football. Its the scouts and front office's fault most of all if they make bad evaluations. Their job is to make good evaluations. All 32 teams have people with the job of making good evaluations. So the higher the pick the more valuable because you can take the player you evaluate most highly before others have a chance to take him. Draft position matters for the GM not so much the player, the GM has a responsibility to find stars at a good rate with high picks. To do that they need to consider talent, coachability, and motivation. If they find a motivated player whose talent is not enough to ever live up to the round they are drafted, its a miss. If they find a highly talented player you will cash the 1st round bonus check, by Nyquil, and never produce, its a miss. If they are finding 6th round talent in the 1st round, they can fly economy out of town and find a job selling cars. Ruiz might have been a fine 6th round pick. Mickey Loomis took him in the 1st round. That's on management. Its no surprise since he is about equally as good as Andrus Peat who we will pay $20 million a year forever to continually extend and restructure his contract while functioning as a Little Debbie powered human turnstyle. saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.
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