Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers

subguy · 09-25-2022, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭

Rez I love you dude.... This never is about emotion. It should be about the best to do the job. I only want to win. Sometimes a spark is all we need, but we need to mix things up.

Boston Saint · 09-25-2022, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective.

I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line.

By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is.

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

subguy · 09-25-2022, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

Admirable of you Boston. He is not someone that can rally the team. He is not a leader. He lacks decision making skills. No one is saying he is the only problem. He is the field general, sorry to disagree with you.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

I have been pro Winston. I haven't necessarily become anti Winston.

Let's be real though.

He wasn't intended to shoulder this team and take over games like Rodgers or Brady.

When everything breaks down around him he will panic, he will make mistakes and we will go deeper into the hole.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know why these breakdowns continue to happen across the board but I can tell you we are probably one more bad loss away from season ending expectations.

CheramieIII · 09-25-2022, 04:07 PM

This is coaching! Winston has proven he can’t throw certain passes! We need some hold onto the ball drills! We need a bruiser at running back and correct the O-Line! If you can’t bang the ball, you can’t pass either! If this mess continues Allen will be gone by years end! Payton saw what was coming!

dizzle88 · 09-25-2022, 04:22 PM

Winston's a great media talker and makes you want to root for him but he's just not that guy.

Arm talent can't hide a lack of awareness or football smarts, he stares down receivers and then delivers inaccurate passes.

I genuinely think the only reason he's still in the league is because of his draft spot.

If a 6th round pick was doing this, they'd be gone

Pete · 09-25-2022, 04:24 PM

Call me what you want..
I chose to have some hope after last year looking like he was on the right track.
Of course some choose to go off of what was shown and have a little faith man.

I also believed there was a Santa Claus early on like quite a few others also.

No problem being wrong if that's the case.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 04:35 PM

In one word - Ineffective.

Basically everything the team is doing is ineffective. Top to bottom.

It’s not too late but we need a 180.

FinSaint · 09-25-2022, 04:42 PM

I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold.

His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change.

I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold.

His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change.

I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

The problem I'm seeing is Carmichael not going to the Winston pass often enough. Still way too much run, run, pass with the defense bringing the house on third down.

09-25-2022, 04:16 PM	#1
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,102	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by rezburna I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭 Rez I love you dude.... This never is about emotion. It should be about the best to do the job. I only want to win. Sometimes a spark is all we need, but we need to mix things up.

09-25-2022, 04:37 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by subguy For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective. I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line. By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is. I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. saintsfan1976, jlouhill and MarchingOn like this.
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09-25-2022, 05:06 PM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,102	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. Admirable of you Boston. He is not someone that can rally the team. He is not a leader. He lacks decision making skills. No one is saying he is the only problem. He is the field general, sorry to disagree with you. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

09-25-2022, 07:06 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. I have been pro Winston. I haven't necessarily become anti Winston. Let's be real though. He wasn't intended to shoulder this team and take over games like Rodgers or Brady. When everything breaks down around him he will panic, he will make mistakes and we will go deeper into the hole. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know why these breakdowns continue to happen across the board but I can tell you we are probably one more bad loss away from season ending expectations. Rugby Saint II, FinSaint and K Major like this.

09-25-2022, 04:07 PM	#5
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers This is coaching! Winston has proven he can’t throw certain passes! We need some hold onto the ball drills! We need a bruiser at running back and correct the O-Line! If you can’t bang the ball, you can’t pass either! If this mess continues Allen will be gone by years end! Payton saw what was coming! Sinner likes this.

09-25-2022, 04:22 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Winston's a great media talker and makes you want to root for him but he's just not that guy. Arm talent can't hide a lack of awareness or football smarts, he stares down receivers and then delivers inaccurate passes. I genuinely think the only reason he's still in the league is because of his draft spot. If a 6th round pick was doing this, they'd be gone

09-25-2022, 04:24 PM	#7
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Call me what you want.. I chose to have some hope after last year looking like he was on the right track. Of course some choose to go off of what was shown and have a little faith man. I also believed there was a Santa Claus early on like quite a few others also. No problem being wrong if that's the case. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-25-2022, 04:35 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers In one word - Ineffective. Basically everything the team is doing is ineffective. Top to bottom. It’s not too late but we need a 180.

09-25-2022, 04:42 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold. His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change. I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

09-25-2022, 04:49 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by FinSaint I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold. His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change. I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows. The problem I'm seeing is Carmichael not going to the Winston pass often enough. Still way too much run, run, pass with the defense bringing the house on third down. neugey likes this.