Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers

rezburna · 09-25-2022, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective.

I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line.

By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is.

I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭

subguy · 09-25-2022, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭

Rez I love you dude.... This never is about emotion. It should be about the best to do the job. I only want to win. Sometimes a spark is all we need, but we need to mix things up.

dizzle88 · 09-25-2022, 05:22 PM

Winston's a great media talker and makes you want to root for him but he's just not that guy.

Arm talent can't hide a lack of awareness or football smarts, he stares down receivers and then delivers inaccurate passes.

I genuinely think the only reason he's still in the league is because of his draft spot.

If a 6th round pick was doing this, they'd be gone

Pete · 09-25-2022, 05:24 PM

Call me what you want..
I chose to have some hope after last year looking like he was on the right track.
Of course some choose to go off of what was shown and have a little faith man.

I also believed there was a Santa Claus early on like quite a few others also.

No problem being wrong if that's the case.

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 05:35 PM

In one word - Ineffective.

Basically everything the team is doing is ineffective. Top to bottom.

It’s not too late but we need a 180.

Boston Saint · 09-25-2022, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective.

I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line.

By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is.

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

FinSaint · 09-25-2022, 05:42 PM

I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold.

His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change.

I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

BakoSaint · 09-25-2022, 05:46 PM

This is 110% on Mickey Loomis. No QB can win with our lousy oline. We traded nexts years pick to stack our offense and this is our offense. Dalton who couldnt start on the Bears and lost when he filled it wont make it better. To win we need money and picks to rebuild the oline but Loomis wont keep picks and wont clean up the cap, he will just sign Peat and Ruiz to extensions that pass the buck down the road, make them Saints for life. Forget Winston. Forget Allen. Cleanup needs to start on the top.

K Major · 09-25-2022, 05:48 PM

Sorry fam but Jameis Winston ain’t that dude.

We don’t have that type of Oline to give him 5 seconds to survey the field.

Atlanta, Tampa and Carolina ALL BLITZED simply because he does not diagnose what a “hot read” is.

His decisions have been poor & it’s not changing.

Brees truly spoiled us.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold.

His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change.

I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

The problem I'm seeing is Carmichael not going to the Winston pass often enough. Still way too much run, run, pass with the defense bringing the house on third down.

09-25-2022, 05:11 PM	#11
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by subguy For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective. I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line. By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is. I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭 SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-25-2022, 05:16 PM	#12
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by rezburna I was wrong bro. Please forgive me. 😭 Rez I love you dude.... This never is about emotion. It should be about the best to do the job. I only want to win. Sometimes a spark is all we need, but we need to mix things up.

09-25-2022, 05:22 PM	#13
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Winston's a great media talker and makes you want to root for him but he's just not that guy. Arm talent can't hide a lack of awareness or football smarts, he stares down receivers and then delivers inaccurate passes. I genuinely think the only reason he's still in the league is because of his draft spot. If a 6th round pick was doing this, they'd be gone

09-25-2022, 05:24 PM	#14
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,753	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Call me what you want.. I chose to have some hope after last year looking like he was on the right track. Of course some choose to go off of what was shown and have a little faith man. I also believed there was a Santa Claus early on like quite a few others also. No problem being wrong if that's the case. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-25-2022, 05:35 PM	#15
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers In one word - Ineffective. Basically everything the team is doing is ineffective. Top to bottom. It’s not too late but we need a 180.

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09-25-2022, 05:37 PM	#16
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by subguy For a few weeks I've sat here and watched everyone saying that James deserved a shot to prove himself. I'll be curious to see if any of the shills will admit they're wrong. Our quarterback, as so many of the quarterbacks in the league lack intelligence behind the center. The problem is they dont think they need to have intelligence they've got good legs or a cannon arm, but we're seeing this to not always effective. I am not saying that Dalton is the answer but you must try something to get a spark. Jameis is a neanderthal in decision making. Physical talent can almost get you there, but not to the finish line. By the way, Thomas can catch a ball but he is weak physically and mentally, sad but true. I know it's painful for some of you to see that they lack what it takes to take us across the line, but it is what it is. I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. saintsfan1976, jlouhill and MarchingOn like this.
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09-25-2022, 05:42 PM	#17
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold. His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change. I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows.

09-25-2022, 05:46 PM	#18
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers This is 110% on Mickey Loomis. No QB can win with our lousy oline. We traded nexts years pick to stack our offense and this is our offense. Dalton who couldnt start on the Bears and lost when he filled it wont make it better. To win we need money and picks to rebuild the oline but Loomis wont keep picks and wont clean up the cap, he will just sign Peat and Ruiz to extensions that pass the buck down the road, make them Saints for life. Forget Winston. Forget Allen. Cleanup needs to start on the top.
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09-25-2022, 05:48 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Sorry fam but Jameis Winston ain’t that dude. We don’t have that type of Oline to give him 5 seconds to survey the field. Atlanta, Tampa and Carolina ALL BLITZED simply because he does not diagnose what a “hot read” is. His decisions have been poor & it’s not changing. Brees truly spoiled us. jnormand, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

09-25-2022, 05:49 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by FinSaint I've never been on Winston's wagon, but I was and still am willing to root for him if he is on the field wearing the black and gold. His decision-making is terrible, and that's not ever going to change. I've never been a fan of Dalton either, but I wouldn't be againts seeing what he can do with the offense. Maybe Carmichael would call a better game with him under center... who knows. The problem I'm seeing is Carmichael not going to the Winston pass often enough. Still way too much run, run, pass with the defense bringing the house on third down. neugey likes this.