Week Eight QB Debate

TheOak · 10-28-2022, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is what I am saying. Winston has yet to be given that opportunity to get into that rhythm while healthy with the Saints. I'm not saying he'll be the answer, but what if he surprises us with that opportunity? He's still young enough to start for ten years. There's no promise any QB coming out next year would be any better. Dalton is approaching the final leg of his career and definitely wouldn't be a long term answer.

No that is not what you were saying, I gave you opportunity to clarify and you didn't go there, are you injured? At least Bako has the character to own his ideas, talking to you is like talking to a White House Press Secretary.

"Given opportunity", is the entire faulty premise you have built this BS argument on. Unless you mean by his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the team and coaches have given him multiple opportunities and he has not surprised anyone with any of them.

darksoul35 · 10-28-2022, 08:24 AM

The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

halloween 65 · 10-28-2022, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

Yeah, seems like it's a trend now. And now the Saints are on the clock and every team and everyone on draft day knows they give up at least 2 picks for every player they get. The reason given

Because we're so stacked at the "said" position(s) we can afford it and don't need that pick.) Well ladies and gents we're really not as stacked as (some here) and the Saints organization has made it out to believe. Those 2 for 1 deals haven't produced not 1( and I mean not 1) player that is setting any records( sacks, int's, ypc) nothing. Only( and I mean only) time a 2 for 1 deal should be made is for an elite dominate player that's off the chart good. There plenty of player on draft day that don't go with 2 picks that excel in the NFL. On draft day I always cringe just knowing what Payton and now Allen is going to give up. It all comes down now is to how much?

Boston Saint · 10-28-2022, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

You mean we used the pick on the best WR in the 2022 draft

rezburna · 10-28-2022, 09:47 AM

Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run.

K Major · 10-28-2022, 09:50 AM

The division is definitely up for grabs.

But we gotta start winning games.

Side note - Tampa may have lost their top pass rusher on last night - Shaq Barrett - possibly a torn Achilles. That would sting.

mapcow · 10-28-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season.

A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again.

I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022.

Even more reason to have gotten rid of the prima donna... all he has done so far is take money, and take a viable player/roster position. Great Gig... sit the bench and get rich.

Rugby Saint II · 10-28-2022, 03:23 PM

When I tossed a coin it came up Dalton.

saintsfan1976 · 10-28-2022, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run.

Just my opinion but I doubt Dalton will be the primary reason for a loss.

BakoSaint · 10-29-2022, 12:39 AM

I think Payton might have been able to fix Winston if he had the oline and weapons to keep Winston safe while he settled in. But Loomis busted the cap and Payton peaced out knowing he would lose Armstead and have to rely on Peat and have no proven healthy wide receivers. So Mr. .250 DC took over as head coach and the difficult project of fixing Winston went to a defensive coach who was a reclamation project himself with makeshift oline and ‘now you see me, now you don’t’ receivers. So not too surprisingly Winston struggled. I don’t think we have the environment to fix him and probably he will never be fixed. For us, Dalton is probably the more finished product we need but who knows, maybe Allen can break Dalton too. I don’t blame Michael Thomas too much. I don’t think he wanted to become Victor Cruz. He just did. But then again Tiger Woods was hurt for years and came back to win. Maybe one day Michael Thomas will be healthy enough to play golf too.

10-28-2022, 07:21 AM	#81
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is what I am saying. Winston has yet to be given that opportunity to get into that rhythm while healthy with the Saints. I'm not saying he'll be the answer, but what if he surprises us with that opportunity? He's still young enough to start for ten years. There's no promise any QB coming out next year would be any better. Dalton is approaching the final leg of his career and definitely wouldn't be a long term answer. No that is not what you were saying, I gave you opportunity to clarify and you didn't go there, are you injured? At least Bako has the character to own his ideas, talking to you is like talking to a White House Press Secretary. "Given opportunity", is the entire faulty premise you have built this BS argument on. Unless you mean by his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the team and coaches have given him multiple opportunities and he has not surprised anyone with any of them. iceshack149, saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.
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10-28-2022, 08:24 AM	#82
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Week Eight QB Debate The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.
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10-28-2022, 08:55 AM	#83
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by darksoul35 The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated. Yeah, seems like it's a trend now. And now the Saints are on the clock and every team and everyone on draft day knows they give up at least 2 picks for every player they get. The reason given Because we're so stacked at the "said" position(s) we can afford it and don't need that pick.) Well ladies and gents we're really not as stacked as (some here) and the Saints organization has made it out to believe. Those 2 for 1 deals haven't produced not 1( and I mean not 1) player that is setting any records( sacks, int's, ypc) nothing. Only( and I mean only) time a 2 for 1 deal should be made is for an elite dominate player that's off the chart good. There plenty of player on draft day that don't go with 2 picks that excel in the NFL. On draft day I always cringe just knowing what Payton and now Allen is going to give up. It all comes down now is to how much?

10-28-2022, 09:08 AM	#84
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by darksoul35 The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated. You mean we used the pick on the best WR in the 2022 draft Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-28-2022, 09:47 AM	#85
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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10-28-2022, 09:50 AM	#86
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate The division is definitely up for grabs. But we gotta start winning games. Side note - Tampa may have lost their top pass rusher on last night - Shaq Barrett - possibly a torn Achilles. That would sting. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-28-2022, 11:06 AM	#87
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season. A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again. I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022. Even more reason to have gotten rid of the prima donna... all he has done so far is take money, and take a viable player/roster position. Great Gig... sit the bench and get rich.
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10-28-2022, 03:23 PM	#88
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Week Eight QB Debate When I tossed a coin it came up Dalton. bobdog86 likes this.

10-28-2022, 04:32 PM	#89
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by rezburna Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run. Just my opinion but I doubt Dalton will be the primary reason for a loss. halloween 65 likes this.

10-29-2022, 12:39 AM	#90
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Week Eight QB Debate I think Payton might have been able to fix Winston if he had the oline and weapons to keep Winston safe while he settled in. But Loomis busted the cap and Payton peaced out knowing he would lose Armstead and have to rely on Peat and have no proven healthy wide receivers. So Mr. .250 DC took over as head coach and the difficult project of fixing Winston went to a defensive coach who was a reclamation project himself with makeshift oline and ‘now you see me, now you don’t’ receivers. So not too surprisingly Winston struggled. I don’t think we have the environment to fix him and probably he will never be fixed. For us, Dalton is probably the more finished product we need but who knows, maybe Allen can break Dalton too. I don’t blame Michael Thomas too much. I don’t think he wanted to become Victor Cruz. He just did. But then again Tiger Woods was hurt for years and came back to win. Maybe one day Michael Thomas will be healthy enough to play golf too.
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