Franchise QB

stickman · 11-14-2022, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.

BakoSaint · 11-14-2022, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.

And then if Loomis trades up for a QB in the draft, we protect that QB with a rag tag oline with Panning and McCoy coming off injuries, Peat on an NFL roster only due to fear of dead money, Ruiz a work in progress, and basically only one solid starter. And we already are missing our 2023 1st round pick and 2024 2nds round pick so probably trading back into the 2023 1st round costs our 2023 2nd rounder, 2023 1st rounder, and more, so we probably have no other high picks to help with oline and no extra cap money and also no picks to add a good TE or possession WR to give that QB dump off options.

I think it would be smarter, unless the perfect pick is there at our pick in the 2nd round, to wait on finding a QB until the 2024 draft, and to focus in 2023 on cleaning up our salary cap, cutting dead weight, and drafting lots of oline in the middle rounds.

If we get a big package for Payton we could get a QB in 2023 but I still prefer taking a chance on a late 1st to 2nd or later round QB and saving other resources for shoring up the oline vs going all in on a high pick QB and having to trade up and deplete our resources that could protect that QB.

iceshack149 · 11-14-2022, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.

I think that will probably happen as well but they've been nailing their draft picks since Ireland came on board. We might get lucky.

K Major · 11-13-2022, 09:17 PM

Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023.

I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft.

Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season.

rezburna · 11-13-2022, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023.

I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft.

Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season.

They usually play better when our expectations are low lol

keithday123 · 11-13-2022, 09:20 PM

Question is who is that guy that is eligible next year. I really like stroud, except for the pedigree of being another failed Ohio st QB in the nfl. Has size and athleticism. Hooker not bad, but seems about as athletic as JW. Of course if you wait and see bad again next year you could take a shot at Caleb Williams in 2024. Just talking of course. I’m by no means an expert

Rueben Mayes · 11-13-2022, 09:53 PM

Since we won't be getting a Franchise QB in time for next week...might as well put Winston in as the starter...maybe?

Taysom?

Daltoon ain't the answer...switch'em up and hope for some kind of spark of magic.

Halo · 11-13-2022, 10:49 PM

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

saintsfan1976 · 11-14-2022, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

I'm going to sound too optimistic here but QB may not be as dire as we think, Halo you bring up a great point. Instead of blowing up the roster, start replacing guys like Peat and reinvest in the trenches. You know, where the game is won... We saw positive results when the line was healthy. And if you give a QB 4 seconds, EVERYONE is open.

MatthewT · 11-14-2022, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed?

I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake?

11-14-2022, 12:30 PM	#1
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,812	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by BakoSaint Yep but just because we may nuke the salary cap to sign Jimmy G (his injury history is a characteristic we covet) doesn’t mean we won’t nuke future drafts to get back into the first round. Perhaps we will trade our 2024 1st round pick, our 2022 and 2025 2nd round picks, and several mid round picks to get back in the first round to select a raw right tackle prospect from a small school coming off a torn acl. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me.

11-14-2022, 01:09 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by stickman I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me. And then if Loomis trades up for a QB in the draft, we protect that QB with a rag tag oline with Panning and McCoy coming off injuries, Peat on an NFL roster only due to fear of dead money, Ruiz a work in progress, and basically only one solid starter. And we already are missing our 2023 1st round pick and 2024 2nds round pick so probably trading back into the 2023 1st round costs our 2023 2nd rounder, 2023 1st rounder, and more, so we probably have no other high picks to help with oline and no extra cap money and also no picks to add a good TE or possession WR to give that QB dump off options. I think it would be smarter, unless the perfect pick is there at our pick in the 2nd round, to wait on finding a QB until the 2024 draft, and to focus in 2023 on cleaning up our salary cap, cutting dead weight, and drafting lots of oline in the middle rounds. If we get a big package for Payton we could get a QB in 2023 but I still prefer taking a chance on a late 1st to 2nd or later round QB and saving other resources for shoring up the oline vs going all in on a high pick QB and having to trade up and deplete our resources that could protect that QB.
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11-14-2022, 01:31 PM	#3
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,441 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by stickman I wouldn't be at all surprised if Loomis trades a bunch of picks and maybe a player to get back into the 1st round. Also wouldn't be surprised if they missed on the pick.There are some good QBs coming out next year, but none scream "FRANCHISE" at me. I think that will probably happen as well but they've been nailing their draft picks since Ireland came on board. We might get lucky. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-13-2022, 09:17 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Franchise QB Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023. I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft. Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season.

11-13-2022, 09:19 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,120	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by K Major Saints are probably going to be bad in 2023. I’d probably look for a QB in the 2024 draft. Really like the idea of Minshew or Huntley next season. They usually play better when our expectations are low lol leilung, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

11-13-2022, 09:20 PM	#6
keithday123 Texasaint Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 208	Re: Franchise QB Question is who is that guy that is eligible next year. I really like stroud, except for the pedigree of being another failed Ohio st QB in the nfl. Has size and athleticism. Hooker not bad, but seems about as athletic as JW. Of course if you wait and see bad again next year you could take a shot at Caleb Williams in 2024. Just talking of course. I’m by no means an expert
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11-13-2022, 09:53 PM	#7
Rueben Mayes 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 134	Re: Franchise QB Since we won't be getting a Franchise QB in time for next week...might as well put Winston in as the starter...maybe? Taysom? Daltoon ain't the answer...switch'em up and hope for some kind of spark of magic. Halo, leilung, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.
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11-13-2022, 10:49 PM	#8
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,907 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Franchise QB How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? iceshack149, MatthewT, neugey and 6 others like this.

11-14-2022, 04:56 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by Halo How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? I'm going to sound too optimistic here but QB may not be as dire as we think, Halo you bring up a great point. Instead of blowing up the roster, start replacing guys like Peat and reinvest in the trenches. You know, where the game is won... We saw positive results when the line was healthy. And if you give a QB 4 seconds, EVERYONE is open. leilung, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

11-14-2022, 07:41 AM	#10
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Franchise QB Originally Posted by Halo How about we figure out WTF is causing ALL the injuries to our players. Since Brees left, the O-line is non-stop beat up, WR's are beat up, missing lots of parts. Strength and Conditioning? I can handle a few low win seasons without a franchise QB, but unlike last season, this team is decimated, and we suck. I'd rather start at the root of the problem first - who is over conditioning these dudes? Can the problem be fixed? I think the strength and conditioning has been addressed and looked at many times in the past. This may be a long shot at best, but maybe now look at the playing surfaces for both practice and home games. Even if the injuries are not directly happening on these fields, could they be contributing to the injury problems that the Saints can't seem to shake? AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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