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Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Sinner Same simple question to you: Would you rather see Sean Payton on the sidelines this coming Sunday? If so, why? Yes I would. Not because I believe he could miraculously prevent fumbles, bad calls, or injuries. ...

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Old 11-29-2022, 05:43 PM   #131
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Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

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Same simple question to you: Would you rather see Sean Payton on the sidelines this coming Sunday? If so, why?
Yes I would. Not because I believe he could miraculously prevent fumbles, bad calls, or injuries. It would be because he can design and run on gameday a better offensive game plan than Pete Carmichael. The only drawback would be the decline in the defensive playcalling without Dennis Allen involved.
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Old 11-29-2022, 05:47 PM   #132
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Yes I would. Not because I believe he could miraculously prevent fumbles, bad calls, or injuries. It would be because he can design and run on gameday a better offensive game plan than Pete Carmichael. The only drawback would be the decline in the defensive playcalling without Dennis Allen involved.
So YOU need to send an email to AK and remind him to HOLD THE DAMN BALL to prevent a helmet or a "perfect punch-out" (LOL) from killing what could have been a great play... and maybe give him a lecture or a motivational speech about "personal responsibility".

Send an email to Lutz, telling him that his only job is to kick the ball through the uprights, especially if he feels like helping us put points on the board.

Tell all of our Receivers to HOLD THE DAMN BALL after making a great catch, until they hear the whistle blow the play dead, and then either hand the ball to a Ref, or gently place the ball down, go back to the huddle, and let the Ref signal the first down, instead of trying so hard to strike the "I got the first down" pose, while the (bad) call is - FUMBLE or PASS INCOMPLETE.

Send emails to the Offensive Coordinators and the Training Staff, and let them know that you think they suck ballz...

Let the Refs know that our team will do all that they can to keep games close enough for "bad calls" to bury us even deeper, but the Fans are going to remain pissed off at the Refs.

I say that YOU should motivate these People/Players, because you seem to believe that the HEAD COACH has nothing to do with any of it.
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:09 PM   #133
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Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further.

He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game".

I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC.

Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't.
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:17 PM   #134
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So YOU need to send an email to AK and remind him to HOLD THE DAMN BALL to prevent a helmet or a "perfect punch-out" (LOL) from killing what could have been a great play... and maybe give him a lecture or a motivational speech about "personal responsibility".

Send an email to Lutz, telling him that his only job is to kick the ball through the uprights, especially if he feels like helping us put points on the board.

Tell all of our Receivers to HOLD THE DAMN BALL after making a great catch, until they hear the whistle blow the play dead, and then either hand the ball to a Ref, or gently place the ball down, go back to the huddle, and let the Ref signal the first down, instead of trying so hard to strike the "I got the first down" pose, while the (bad) call is - FUMBLE or PASS INCOMPLETE.

Send emails to the Offensive Coordinators and the Training Staff, and let them know that you think they suck ballz...

Let the Refs know that our team will do all that they can to keep games close enough for "bad calls" to bury us even deeper, but the Fans are going to remain pissed off at the Refs.

I say that YOU should motivate these People/Players, because you seem to believe that the HEAD COACH has nothing to do with any of it.
So, how do you know that Allen hasn't done all of this himself already?

I'm not saying Allen is the answer. Not at all. But as far as coaching goes I would put 90% of the blame on Carmichael. The defense is still pretty damned good.

Sinner, I feel your pain, but you are becoming as obsessed with Allen as the Bako dude is with Loomis, and I assume that mapcow is still doing with Thomas (wouldn't know for sure, blocked him over a year ago).

As far as telling the players what to do, they already know what to do. No amount of telling them is not going to suddenly make it happen

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:20 PM   #135
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So, how do you know that Allen hasn't done all of this himself already?

I'm not saying Allen is the answer. Not at all. But as far as coaching goes I would put 90% of the blame on Carmichael. The defense is still pretty damned good.

Sinner, I feel your pain, but you are becoming as obsessed with Allen as the Bako dude is with Loomis, and I assume that mapcow is still doing with Thomas (wouldn't know for sure, blocked him over a year ago).

As far as telling the players what to do, they already know what to do. No amount of telling them is not going to suddenly make it happen
In addition to the actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone, a Head Coach is a PRESENCE that has to have power over bringing all the parts of a Team together to work as flawlessly as possible. He works with the pieces (Players) on hand, and if he identifies any weaknesses or shortcomings, does whatever it takes to MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO WIN THE GAME. Players and Staff need to be in awe, if not in fear of him. Whether brutal or fun, or a combination of both, this is a Professional Sports Team, that must respond as individuals in the collective to the PRESENCE of the Head Coach. We just don't have that. Denial of this fact is not going to bring any relief or reward for the Fans' hard earned money, or precious energy invested.
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In addition to the actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone, a Head Coach is a PRESENCE that has to have power over bringing all the parts of a Team together to work as flawlessly as possible. He works with the pieces (Players) on hand, and if he identifies any weaknesses or shortcomings, does whatever it takes to MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO WIN THE GAME. Players and Staff need to be in awe, if not in fear of him. Whether brutal or fun, or a combination of both, this is a Professional Sports Team, that must respond as individuals in the collective to the PRESENCE of the Head Coach. We just don't have that. Denial of this fact is not going to bring any relief or reward for the Fans' hard earned money, or precious energy invested.
Curious as to from where you are quoting Allen's contractual "actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone". Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't found access to the actual document.

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Old 11-29-2022, 06:39 PM   #137
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Curious as to from where you are quoting Allen's contractual "actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone". Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't found access to the actually document.

See? That's the thing... What is "set in stone" applies to ANY (good or great) Head Coach. I have no idea what "terms and conditions" apply to this organization at this time. If the aforementioned actual legal (as well as ethical) duties and responsibilities don't apply to Allen, then "we have a COACHING issue". And if they do, "we have a COACHING issue".
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:46 PM   #138
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Oh, nevermind. I called on Mr. Google and found your source of "legal head coach duties".

Coaches’ 9 Legal Duties

Adapted from Eau Claire Area School District High School’s
Coaches Manual, Coaches Nine Legal Duties. Retrieved
Sept 1, 2008 from http://www.memorial.ecasd.k12.wi.us/Sports/
CoachesManual/coachesmanual.htm

I'm sorry, but the duties of an NFL head coach most likely take into consideration that the legally bound high school head coaches did their part before the professional players come under their supervision.
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:52 PM   #139
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Oh, nevermind. I called on Mr. Google and found your source of "legal head coach duties".

Coaches’ 9 Legal Duties

Adapted from Eau Claire Area School District High School’s
Coaches Manual, Coaches Nine Legal Duties. Retrieved
Sept 1, 2008 from http://www.memorial.ecasd.k12.wi.us/Sports/
CoachesManual/coachesmanual.htm

I'm sorry, but the duties of an NFL head coach most likely take into consideration that the legally bound high school head coaches did their part before the professional players come under their supervision.

Hard as it may be to believe or accept, my original comment from waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back on page 4 of this thread stands:

"Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?"

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Old 11-29-2022, 07:01 PM   #140
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Hard as it may be to believe or accept, my original comment from waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back on page 4 of this thread stands:

"Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?"

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To which I simply replied, "In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael."

None of that has changed after nine additional pages.
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