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"Bad calls" aside, a Head Coach having nothing to do with his Star Running Back's fumbles... or his Kicker missing Field Goals... or his Receiver not holding on to the ball as he hits the ground... would have to be either blind, or ineffective. PERIOD.

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I agree with this.

Not this. I mean... who else would we have thrown out there? I get the frustration though.


You know, I haven't considered Kamara to be a true lead back for quite some time. He's more of an offensive weapon that plays running back. I'd like to have one of those again. Someone that can pound the rock and get crucial yards when we need it. Someone that can wear down and defense and break one when we need it. The good ole Deuce days was nice. Kamara isn't that guy.

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How much does Mark Ingram have left in the tank? I thought the idea was to use Ingram and Kamara in tandem? or something like that. I realize that SF's run D is very good but still...Andy Dalton is the Saints leading rusher for the day?

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So that doesn’t answer my question. What do you do to prevent a missed FG or Kamara fumbling? What Magic did Payton have that told Kamara not to fumble and why does Kamara feel it’s Ok to fumble now ?

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Sinner, by this logic a coach could design the perfect play for a QB to hit a wide open receiver and because the QB makes a poor throw or the receiver drops the pass or fumbles after catching it or the ref calls a BS PI call the coach is at fault.

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Nope. Not saying that at all. In game decisions such as going for it or not on 4th down or game clock management is mostly on the head coach, of course. But if coaching was to blame for mistakes made by the players it is more on the shoulders of the positional coaches and that comes on what they do during the week. But, once the game kicks off everything else other than playcalling falls on the players themselves. The head coach isn't fumbling the ball, missing tackles, or taking a pass off their facemask.

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Exactly what I am saying.

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Ditto and ditto.

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Coaches' legal Duties. ...
Plan the activity properly. ...
Provide proper instruction. ...
Provide a safe physical environment. ...
Provide adequate and proper equipment. ...
Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience.
Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ...
Supervise the activity closely ...
MOTIVATE and MAKE any and all necessary adjustments to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD.

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Coaches' legal Duties. ...
Plan the activity properly. ...
Provide proper instruction. ...
Provide a safe physical environment. ...
Provide adequate and proper equipment. ...
Match your athletes according to size, physical maturity, skill level and experience.
Evaluate athletes for injury and incapacity. ...
Supervise the activity closely ...
MOTIVATE and MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD.

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I don’t see catch the ball or not fumble on that list.

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Completely agree with all of that, but once the first whistle takes place it is for the most part dependent upon the players to execute. The exception is in the case of calling plays which Payton did on offense and Allen does on defense, unlike most head coaches.

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Ditto, again. Damn, this is scary. I have been agreeing with you entirely too much recently.

;)

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"MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD."

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"MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS to maximize Players' performance/productivity.

PERIOD."

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Fine in theory, but once that player hits the field it's all on him. Nothing the head coach does or says can make him execute. Vince Lombardi had players miss tackles, fumble balls, and drop passes on occasion once the game started.

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On what occasion will you admit that we have a Coaching problem? Surely you're not insinuating that over time, DA is going to be the next Vince Lombardi...

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Once again, of course not. No doubt there's some coaching issues and I put most of that on Pete Carmichael. The defense has been quite good. But there are other issues in the way of having the expected success including injuries. But I don't see putting the Sunday loss entirely on the plate of the head coach without giving blame to the ones actually playing the game.

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A Head Coach is responsible for managing teams, monitoring each player's performance, conditioning the team's skills by conducting training sessions, and encouraging the trainees to reach their full potential. Head coaches assess the team's coordination during training or a game, adjusting strategies and improving techniques as needed. A head coach evaluates the team's strengths and weaknesses while educating them on the proper sports ethic. A head coach must have strong leadership and organizational skills to develop plans and reach set goals.

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Yup. But they don't put on pads and take the field.

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They don't have to. They simply have to do EXACTLY what I have listed. Our current Head Coach has not.

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We have the worst turnover ratio in the league and are the most penalized team. Those are coaching issues as it’s not just one player that’s an issue. There is also a lack of accountability and motivation. This even the players admitted to when AK held his meeting to address it… if your employees are holding meetings discussing the lack of accountability and motivation, the. Coaching is the problem.

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Exactly what I said the other day and got told I was "making assumptions."

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You only hear about those player led meetings when the team is losing.

Most of what we are dealing with right now comes down to one thing ...

NO DREW BREES

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Lol.

Last time I checked, Dennis Allen is 12-36 (.250) as a HEAD COACH. The man is in over his head.

Carry on.

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Not saying he shouldn't eventually be replaced. But, to put the entire blame on him is shortsighted.

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Fair enough. Suffice it to say I think there are some things that are outside of the coaches control. You seem to disagree.

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Exactly what I am trying to relay.

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Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate.

His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team.

And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

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Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

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NOBODY put the entire blame on Allen. But to say that the Head Coach is not largely responsible for what happens after the opening whistle blows, game after game, would be shortsighted, to say the least.

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There are 3 possibilities, Allen is: lousy, average, or great as head coach. Overall our team is performing lousy but it can be debated whether that's the fault of Allen, Loomis, or the performance and health of the players Loomis, Allen, and Payton hand picked to be on the team.

The thing is, firing Allen will only be a mistake if Allen is great. If Allen is an average head coach faced with difficult circumstances, firing him won't automatically make things better, but it won't on average make them worse either, it will just be something we tried as part of the process of elimination to solve the problem, cutting loose an average replacement level dude, an AJ Klein or Andy Dalton of head coaches.

Firing Allen would only be a disaster if Allen is actually a great head coach. Now, Allen has a career .250 record taking over previously ~.500 teams in 3 years and has only won back-to-back games once. So I would say that whether he is lousy or average, the evidence strongly suggests that Allen is not great. Therefore, I don't see much risk in getting rid of Allen. Whatever he is, lousy or average, and the record points to lousy, he can't be great and lose that much.

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Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game.

1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D?
2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling?
3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball?
4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC?

Thanks for your feedback.

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Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at.

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1) The defense was playing great. The 49er's offense put up its lowest yardage total of the entire season.

2) I wouldn't say Kamara was struggling, per se. Search out the two fumbles. Both came on plays where the 49er's defense held him up on a tackle while subsequent players either punched the ball out or laid their helmet right on the ball. They were both perfectly executed defensive plays.

3) I don't think the offensive line looked that bad, but once again penalties hurt. We had two opportunities of 1st and goal inside their five yard line and came away with zero points.

4) The playcalling by Carmichael on those previous plays was horrible as far as I'm concerned. As for DA's side, the defensive pressure was good and helped keep some of those weapons from making big plays.

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At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good?

As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

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I believe we may be in better shape at LB moving forward than some had surmised. Kaden Ellis balled out again leading the team by a huge margin in tackles with 14, 12 of which were solo. Zack Baun's name was mentioned several times with four solo tackles, one being for a loss, and one hit on the QB.