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But there are some things Allen as HC inherited. He has to go with Kamara. Because of contract he had to go with Thomas. Most of the new blood he is bringing in as coach is working with Olave and Shaeed.

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Completely valid point and I agree, I guess it was just wishful thinking or maybe I was little spoilt with Payton's no nonsense brand to coaching.

Lets hope behind closed doors Alvin is very unhappy with his performance.

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Agreed again, I think Olave and Shaheed, with a decent QB and a better offensive coordinator, could be a great tandem.

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If the question you are referring to has to do with what I was feeling, saying, or yelling during these games... or my "opinion" as a Fan... This is a poorly coached team, loaded with potential and talent, that is not being properly trained, motivated, coordinated and COACHED. It is a FACT that we have a COACHING/MANAGEMENT Problem. That's my opinion.

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I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles twice on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet? If I am not mistaken he wasn't holding the ball loosely or well away from his body on either occasion.

I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble.

:rolleyes:

Sometimes **** just happens. And this year it has happened a lot.

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If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?

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Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.

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So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct?

Imagine THAT!

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If he's effectively the offensive coordinator, then yes, on game day he is. Credit Dennis Allen that our defense is still extremely good. Blame Pete Carmichael that our offense isn't.

What has more to do with the winning of games than the head coach is injuries. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did their head coach suddenly suck? No. They have been decimated by injuries.

Do you put the blame for the Rams woes directly on McVay just as you do Allen?

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Same simple question to you: Would you rather see Sean Payton on the sidelines this coming Sunday? If so, why?

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Yes I would. Not because I believe he could miraculously prevent fumbles, bad calls, or injuries. It would be because he can design and run on gameday a better offensive game plan than Pete Carmichael. The only drawback would be the decline in the defensive playcalling without Dennis Allen involved.

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So YOU need to send an email to AK and remind him to HOLD THE DAMN BALL to prevent a helmet or a "perfect punch-out" (LOL) from killing what could have been a great play... and maybe give him a lecture or a motivational speech about "personal responsibility".

Send an email to Lutz, telling him that his only job is to kick the ball through the uprights, especially if he feels like helping us put points on the board.

Tell all of our Receivers to HOLD THE DAMN BALL after making a great catch, until they hear the whistle blow the play dead, and then either hand the ball to a Ref, or gently place the ball down, go back to the huddle, and let the Ref signal the first down, instead of trying so hard to strike the "I got the first down" pose, while the (bad) call is - FUMBLE or PASS INCOMPLETE.

Send emails to the Offensive Coordinators and the Training Staff, and let them know that you think they suck ballz...

Let the Refs know that our team will do all that they can to keep games close enough for "bad calls" to bury us even deeper, but the Fans are going to remain pissed off at the Refs.

I say that YOU should motivate these People/Players, because you seem to believe that the HEAD COACH has nothing to do with any of it.

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Another year of Allen is gonna set this team back even further.

He can't even succeed with a fairly competitive roster. For whatever reason, playing the Saints is most teams "get it together game".

I don't see the Saints pulling a 49er-type move (Tomsula & Kelly) of one and done as HC.

Allen will get another season, but he shouldn't.

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So, how do you know that Allen hasn't done all of this himself already?

I'm not saying Allen is the answer. Not at all. But as far as coaching goes I would put 90% of the blame on Carmichael. The defense is still pretty damned good.

Sinner, I feel your pain, but you are becoming as obsessed with Allen as the Bako dude is with Loomis, and I assume that mapcow :dunce: is still doing with Thomas (wouldn't know for sure, blocked him over a year ago).

As far as telling the players what to do, they already know what to do. No amount of telling them is not going to suddenly make it happen

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In addition to the actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone, a Head Coach is a PRESENCE that has to have power over bringing all the parts of a Team together to work as flawlessly as possible. He works with the pieces (Players) on hand, and if he identifies any weaknesses or shortcomings, does whatever it takes to MAKE ANY AND ALL NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO WIN THE GAME. Players and Staff need to be in awe, if not in fear of him. Whether brutal or fun, or a combination of both, this is a Professional Sports Team, that must respond as individuals in the collective to the PRESENCE of the Head Coach. We just don't have that. Denial of this fact is not going to bring any relief or reward for the Fans' hard earned money, or precious energy invested.

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Curious as to from where you are quoting Allen's contractual "actual legal duties and responsibilities which are tangible and practically set in stone". Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't found access to the actual document.

:confused:

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See? That's the thing... What is "set in stone" applies to ANY (good or great) Head Coach. I have no idea what "terms and conditions" apply to this organization at this time. If the aforementioned actual legal (as well as ethical) duties and responsibilities don't apply to Allen, then "we have a COACHING issue". And if they do, "we have a COACHING issue".

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Oh, nevermind. I called on Mr. Google and found your source of "legal head coach duties".

Coaches’ 9 Legal Duties

Adapted from Eau Claire Area School District High School’s
Coaches Manual, Coaches Nine Legal Duties. Retrieved
Sept 1, 2008 from http://www.memorial.ecasd.k12.wi.us/Sports/
CoachesManual/coachesmanual.htm

I'm sorry, but the duties of an NFL head coach most likely take into consideration that the legally bound high school head coaches did their part before the professional players come under their supervision.

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Hard as it may be to believe or accept, my original comment from waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back on page 4 of this thread stands:

"Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?"

Now I need to take my Life-Force back. Thanks.

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To which I simply replied, "In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael."

None of that has changed after nine additional pages. :D

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None of that has changed for YOU after nine additional pages, apparently.
And if we don't change our Head Coach, none of what this team does will change for the foreseeable future, unfortunately.

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I've gone back and forth on this all season. I'm afraid we're stuck with Allen because they have such a long history together and probably feel this was mostly due to injuries.

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I can live with Allen if we upgrade at offensive coordinator. I want him gone, but a new OC is a must.