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Yet another loss from a team that is challenging and frustrating to watch at times.

Yes, the refs were definitely a factor in this game. They always are... and the team knows that and should be better to be able to overcome that and much more as it undergoes its ebb and flows.

At the end of the day, the Saints are what they are, and their record speaks for itself. Still incredibly, they are not out contention, although they should be, for the NFC South lead. The fat lady is in all likelihood gargling to get ready.

How many draft picks are we getting for SP already? :bng:

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9-8 can easily win this division.

:bng:

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Does anybody really want them to be in contention anymore? I don't. I love this team, but they aren't good this year. They clearly need a new coach and a few more pieces. If they were to somehow win the South and get in the playoffs, that would give Mickey an excuse to delay what absolutely needs to be done.

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Even if they miraculously win this terrible division they are going nowhere.

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I don’t, but every loss gives Philly a higher draft pick. That’s what bothers me

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Hell, yeah, I want them in contention. I want them to win EVERY frickin' game in which they dress and hit the field in our Black and Gold! I don't give a crap about what "Mickey" thinks or what anyone thinks. I want us to win every game possible. I can imagine preferring us to lose.

Where's that *vomit* smilie thing?

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Who cares? It's an extra game I can watch before I die. I want every season to be as long as possible.

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I thought the defense played well (with the exception of that boneheaded Harris Jr). Nothing was easy for Debo/Christian or Ayuik.

Too many missed opportunities (fumbles & missed fg) though.

The Niners were definitely on the ropes today.

I'm really, really stoked for the future with Olave and Shaheed. These guys are ballers.

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So you want to see them get lucky and win the division just to get humiliated in the playoffs. To each his own

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Luckily we don't have to worry about that since we are officially bottom of the NFC South again.

Neither Dalton nor Winston can propel this team to a playoff berth and the Eagles are likely getting a top 10 pick.

I think this team needs to embrace a rebuild and have a fire sale in the off-season.

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Sure looks like this **** is over.
Ball is not bouncing our way to say the least.
Refs... Man fk them and the leagues antics.
Sean Payton would've had a say in 0 points scored..
Coaching matters!
I thought the year Sean was suspended we would be ok.. nadda
Coaching matters!

Bring on the draft picks ..
Fire Demmus

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Team is Out of Whack!!
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To not want this team to pull it together late and win 8 or 9 games and possibly win this division and get a home playoff game is not thinking rationally. I went through years of this team being terrible and praying just to get to the playoffs only to be disappointed each year. DA is not going anywhere regardless of what happens and we have no first rounder next year to play for so why not hope this teams performs a miracle, gets there, and hope for the best in a single game elimination tournament. Better your team have a chance than no chance.

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What we witnessed today, and for most of this season, is a holistic mess - broken at every level. Doesn't matter how much talent we have at some positions. We just cannot put the pieces together in the right way. We saw this coming, THEY (Management) saw this coming. They didn't prepare to prevent this. No Fan could possibly be prepared to witness what we saw today, and might possibly see for the foreseeable future. I am giving "Management" a thumbs-Down, and sending massive props to the die-hard Fans.

On to next freaking week...

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The thing that makes it tricky this year is Sean Payton's status. With every loss we suffer (especially ones like today where we got shut out), Payton's stock goes up, and we do want Sean Payton's stock as high as it can be so both he and us get a godfather offer for his services is 2023.


I want to win, but at least if the losses mount, Sean Payton's stock goes up and DA's stock goes down, which may benefit us next year going forward.


Anyway - a few of my observations:
- I had to listen to the game on NFL+, and before long chose the 49ers radio broadcast over our own. The 49ers PBP guy was a lot clearer and more matter of fact and it was much easier to follow the game. And I love Deuce, and maybe it is just me, but he is not doing it as a color man for me.
- Our fumbles, goofs and misfires on offense wasted a very sturdy effort by our defense. This game was in our reach and we failed.
- We really need a good young RB to complement Kamara and there will be many in this draft. Many I watched on Friday and Saturday that I could get behind. Don't eff it up, draft at least one.

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Even at this level, absolutely it does :bng:

I'll be shocked if Pete Carmichael returns in 2023.

Side note - I'm watching the Philly / Packers game right now & I see Ceedy Deuce got hurt/injured. Their backup safety (rookie) comes in and gets a pick.

The Saints need to focus on getting BETTER DEPTH on defense. Harris is a walking garbage can & he's old.

Time to get younger talent in New Orleans next off-season. That goes for the O line as well.

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Imagine if we had not traded our 1st. Then with every loss that pick goes up and Paytons stock goes up. First and foremost I blame Loomis because although everyone is a piece of this disaster, he is the one who bet the farm and put us in a sitatuation where if this happened it would be much harder to rebuild. Also Allen etc can’t control the lousy refs but Loomis had all the data to know there was a high chance the refs would do this and yet he still traded the 1st. He is the one person who should have factored that in with NOT trading any of our picks knowing that if things went wrong the refs would pile on and it could be a high pick.

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I'm really tired of hearing about us trading our 1st. We got a young, starting LT out of it. What good is a young QB if you can't protect him? Some pieces should already be in place before drafting a young QB.

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Olave was the prize of the trade. Well worth it

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Important notes on the Saints season thus far:

Saints are still last in turnover margin (-12) as of 11/27/22.
Saints lead the league in false starts penalties and turnovers (19).
0 points scored today vs the Niners.

Sure there are injuries, bad calls every game but the 4-8 record is what it is.

Bad football.

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If you are tired go to sleep. We got a young offensive lineman who was instantly injured and whose only game so far he contributed to our offense getting shut out by committing a key facemask penalty. Had we not traded with Philly, we still could have moved up to get Olave and kept our 1st rounder.

If his court case goes wrong, I sure hope Kamara can hold onto a bar of soap better than he can hold onto a football.

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Bahahaha!!! That’s hilarious!!!!

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IF this were the case your post count would be a fraction of what it is.

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"Praying to get to the playoffs" is not thinking rationally.

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Well, up next is facing a STRUGGLING 5-6 Bucs team.

The NFC South is just bad all away around.

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Sunday was a master class in all the different ways to lose a football game.

Seriously had it all....

Turnovers, penalties, bad calls, no calls, botched instant replay, four throws from goal-to-go, balls bouncing through and off everything but goal posts.... and yes, even a laces out throw....

I think we we were one streaker away from a full bingo card.

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:rofl: LMFAO..... Where to begin... how about ZERO.... yes that seems like a great place to start. and of course... where was the prima donna and the thug.... :rofl:

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so the rumor is false. Guido doesn't have a brain.:bugeyes:

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IMO It’s a friggin joke how people just blow off the refs and their bias as just part of the game that teams need to overcome. They are more often than not a primary reason for a teams success or failure for any given game.

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I see a report (Jeff Duncan) that Alvin Kamara didn't speak to media following the game, per advice from his "legal counsel". I find that a bit odd.

Not sure why he wouldn't take a few minutes to answer questions.

As I stated in the game day chat, his body language was bad most of the game.

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Nope. Just like you I post for myself. I honesty don't care what anyone else thinks.

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It is thinking like a real fan.

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Yeah but it's the Saints. We won't get those calls :rolleyes:.

If there is any criticism I have on our great young talent Olave is securing that ball all the way through. This isn't the first time he's had a catch that was over turned by the zebras. Leave no doubt.

IMO this is a teachable moment for our WR coach :bng:.

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The main/only things from this loss that I would pin on Allen are not going for it on 4th and short earlier in the game and not trying more quick throws/slants.

Otherwise they were going against a good Niners D on the road. his best player in Kamara let him down with fumbles. His kicker let him down. The refs let him down with poor calls, The tipped balls went the niners way.

This is not an excuse. This is not a vote of confidence in Allen. This is my evaluation of his performance. I don’t know what Payton would have done differently to overcome those fumbles, missed kicks, and calls.

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Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?

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In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael.

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So the Head Coach doesn't pay any attention or have anything to do with what we just saw on Sunday? Times have changed.

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^^^^

It starts with DISCIPLINE. I think many are missing here on Allen.

No attention to detail (hence Saints lead the league in false start penalties), holding coaches and players accountable. Listen at some of his post game interviews. Same song and dance, every week but says nothing to resolve a problem.

Allen isn't a rookie HC. He's had 48 games as HC and lost 36 of em.

Do you think Sean P would have trotted AK back out to the field after the second fumble vs San Fran?

"Keep doing what you're doing" - Dennis Allen.

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Perhaps. I might be wrong. I can’t see that coaching would have stopped the missed FG, The bad calls, and Kamara’s fumbles. That was my point. PleSe tell me What could Payton have done to prevent THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS.