Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game.

1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D?
2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling?
3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball?
4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC?

Thanks for your feedback.

1) The defense was playing great. The 49er's offense put up its lowest yardage total of the entire season.

2) I wouldn't say Kamara was struggling, per se. Search out the two fumbles. Both came on plays where the 49er's defense held him up on a tackle while subsequent players either punched the ball out or laid their helmet right on the ball. They were both perfectly executed defensive plays.

3) I don't think the offensive line looked that bad, but once again penalties hurt. We had two opportunities of 1st and goal inside their five yard line and came away with zero points.

4) The playcalling by Carmichael on those previous plays was horrible as far as I'm concerned. As for DA's side, the defensive pressure was good and helped keep some of those weapons from making big plays.

TheOak · 11-29-2022, 06:21 AM

Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at.

At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good?

As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 08:49 AM

I believe we may be in better shape at LB moving forward than some had surmised. Kaden Ellis balled out again leading the team by a huge margin in tackles with 14, 12 of which were solo. Zack Baun's name was mentioned several times with four solo tackles, one being for a loss, and one hit on the QB.

TheOak · 11-29-2022, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good?

As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

Focusing a player is not a binary decision. I said nothing about replacing him.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Focusing a player is not a binary decision. I said nothing about replacing him.

Then I guess I have completely missed your point. Why exactly do you expect Allen to waste valuable time by bringing in scrub kickers for a tryout which you have already tried out if you have no plan on replacing your kicker?

K Major · 11-29-2022, 09:23 AM

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papz · 11-29-2022, 09:47 AM

I'm becoming concerned about re-signing Elliss. He's going to become 28 next season so this is his one chance to captalize on getting a lucrative long term contract.

SmashMouth · 11-29-2022, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I'm becoming concerned about re-signing Elliss. He's going to become 28 next season so this is his one chance to captalize on getting a lucrative long term contract.

Exactly... it took a while to develop him. Even with that, don't expect a home team discount, not that he would break the bank based on his prior production.

Sinner · 11-29-2022, 10:15 AM

All this talk about "punching the ball out" of the Star Running Back's hands, being a perfectly executed defensive play, and no fault of the Ball Carrier, or the COACHING of the Ball Carrier... Nah. Way back in the day, we had Coach punching the ball so hard, we would puke. That was fundamental stuff. We were COACHED to HOLD THE DAMN BALL.

11-29-2022, 08:14 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by leilung Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game. 1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D? 2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling? 3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball? 4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC? Thanks for your feedback. 1) The defense was playing great. The 49er's offense put up its lowest yardage total of the entire season. 2) I wouldn't say Kamara was struggling, per se. Search out the two fumbles. Both came on plays where the 49er's defense held him up on a tackle while subsequent players either punched the ball out or laid their helmet right on the ball. They were both perfectly executed defensive plays. 3) I don't think the offensive line looked that bad, but once again penalties hurt. We had two opportunities of 1st and goal inside their five yard line and came away with zero points. 4) The playcalling by Carmichael on those previous plays was horrible as far as I'm concerned. As for DA's side, the defensive pressure was good and helped keep some of those weapons from making big plays.
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11-29-2022, 06:21 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, Rueben Mayes and 1 others like this.

11-29-2022, 08:33 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by TheOak Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at. At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good? As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

11-29-2022, 08:49 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I believe we may be in better shape at LB moving forward than some had surmised. Kaden Ellis balled out again leading the team by a huge margin in tackles with 14, 12 of which were solo. Zack Baun's name was mentioned several times with four solo tackles, one being for a loss, and one hit on the QB.

11-29-2022, 10:17 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good? As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial. Focusing a player is not a binary decision. I said nothing about replacing him.

11-29-2022, 11:12 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by TheOak Focusing a player is not a binary decision. I said nothing about replacing him. Then I guess I have completely missed your point. Why exactly do you expect Allen to waste valuable time by bringing in scrub kickers for a tryout which you have already tried out if you have no plan on replacing your kicker?

11-29-2022, 09:47 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I'm becoming concerned about re-signing Elliss. He's going to become 28 next season so this is his one chance to captalize on getting a lucrative long term contract. SmashMouth likes this.

11-29-2022, 09:50 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,554 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by papz I'm becoming concerned about re-signing Elliss. He's going to become 28 next season so this is his one chance to captalize on getting a lucrative long term contract. Exactly... it took a while to develop him. Even with that, don't expect a home team discount, not that he would break the bank based on his prior production. papz likes this.

11-29-2022, 10:15 AM	#10
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers All this talk about "punching the ball out" of the Star Running Back's hands, being a perfectly executed defensive play, and no fault of the Ball Carrier, or the COACHING of the Ball Carrier... Nah. Way back in the day, we had Coach punching the ball so hard, we would puke. That was fundamental stuff. We were COACHED to HOLD THE DAMN BALL. jnormand, SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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