Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA?

K Major · 12-14-2022, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Dennis isn't some "new head coach". He's worked in this organization 16 years so I doubt the front office was going against DA's advice.

This is what some either are missing or simply ignore for whatever reason.

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Dennis isn't some "new head coach". He's worked in this organization 16 years so I doubt the front office was going against DA's advice. Especially when it came to defensive personnel.

Originally Posted by K Major

This is what some either are missing or simply ignore for whatever reason.

Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton earned over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority.

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2022, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton earned over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority.

Who's assuming now?

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Who's assuming now?

I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

saintsfan1976 · 12-14-2022, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing....

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing....

I didn't change anything. That's what I've been saying all along in my discussion on the subject with dizzle. He asked the following:

"So my problem with that is then, who's making these decisions, if not Allen?

For the price we paid Mathieu and Maye, we could have just kept Marcus Williams, because neither of those players are anywhere near Marcus."

I guess you and Major missed out on that part earlier.

AsylumGuido · 12-14-2022, 11:49 AM

I asked Nick Underhill about Allen's personnel authority.

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12-14-2022, 10:46 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Dennis isn't some "new head coach". He's worked in this organization 16 years so I doubt the front office was going against DA's advice. This is what some either are missing or simply ignore for whatever reason.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,707	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Dennis isn't some "new head coach". He's worked in this organization 16 years so I doubt the front office was going against DA's advice. Especially when it came to defensive personnel. Originally Posted by K Major This is what some either are missing or simply ignore for whatever reason. Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton *earned* over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,047 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just because Allen wasn't a "new head coach" doesn't mean that Loomis and company would be willing to hand over the same level of autonomy in decision making that Sean Payton *earned* over his 15 year tenure. I'm not saying he wouldn't have input, but deciding whether or not to give into player contract demands are likely far out of his current level of authority. Who's assuming now? iceshack149 and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,707	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Who's assuming now? I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree?

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,047 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am, of course, based upon decision making authorities of head coaches across the entire league and the relative longevity of the position in those cases. I'd wager a good bit that my educated assumption is far closer to fact than the assumption that Dennis Allen is unilaterally making personnel decisions for the Saints. Do you disagree? I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing.... iceshack149 and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,707	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I like how you changed it to "unilaterally" as if that's what any of us were arguing.... I didn't change anything. That's what I've been saying all along in my discussion on the subject with dizzle. He asked the following: "So my problem with that is then, who's making these decisions, if not Allen? For the price we paid Mathieu and Maye, we could have just kept Marcus Williams, because neither of those players are anywhere near Marcus." I guess you and Major missed out on that part earlier.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,707	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? I asked Nick Underhill about Allen's personnel authority. Dec 14, 2022 @AsylumGuido · Follow Replying to @nick_underhill @HardhideWhiskey and @BadeauxLaw @nick_underhill I have a question. Does Dennis Allen have the same level of decision making when it comes to personnel as did Payton? Did he have the say on Marcus Williams? Mathieu? Marcus Maye? Nick Underhill @nick_underhill · Follow He has say. He doesn’t have as much say 11:35 AM · Dec 14, 2022