Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea

halloween 65 · 01-03-2023, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might.

How about Dennis Allen + a better OC?

BakoSaint · 01-03-2023, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

Due to our cap situation we have lost more key pieces than we have added in free agency for the last few seasons and our cap situation is the same this year. Every team will make additions but how do you expect our additions will push us ahead of other teams additions if we have the least cap space in the league and among the fewest draft picks?

Last week we barely beat Gardner Minshew. All we were missing was Peat who misses time every year, Thomas who has missed 40 of 50 games, and Maye who May be suspended next year. Next year these guys will be a year older. Kamara will probably be supended. We have lots of injuries next year and its obvious we will have lots next year because its many of the same injury prone misfits and free agent bargain bin players. The only way to reduce injuries is to accept a year of rebuild and use it to cut the injury prone guys like peat and thomas.

mapcow · 01-04-2023, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season.

Never gonna happen....especially with the prima donna and the thug... and the current coaching crew.....and the absence of a QB.... so on and so on

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2023, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent.

I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space.

BakoSaint · 01-03-2023, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space.

We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?

saintsfan1976 · 01-04-2023, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2023, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

It totally blows his narrative out of the water. That's why he ignores it.

BakoSaint · 01-04-2023, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row.

You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it...

I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them.

cmike · 01-03-2023, 09:51 AM

I’ve forgotten about those picks we gave to the Eagles. In return we probably got the offensive rookie of the Year(Olave) and Penning. Would I give up a 1st rounder for Rasheed. Absolutely.
He’s only leading all rookies in big play yardage and 2nd amongst all players.

01-03-2023, 02:03 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-03-2023, 07:58 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by halloween 65 We will be contending next season for the Lombardi, but so will every team. Dennis Allen, even with a healthy squad will still look like a deer in the headlights. He want take us there. O minded coach might. How about Dennis Allen + a better OC? WW_Who_Dat likes this.

01-03-2023, 11:12 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. Due to our cap situation we have lost more key pieces than we have added in free agency for the last few seasons and our cap situation is the same this year. Every team will make additions but how do you expect our additions will push us ahead of other teams additions if we have the least cap space in the league and among the fewest draft picks? Last week we barely beat Gardner Minshew. All we were missing was Peat who misses time every year, Thomas who has missed 40 of 50 games, and Maye who May be suspended next year. Next year these guys will be a year older. Kamara will probably be supended. We have lots of injuries next year and its obvious we will have lots next year because its many of the same injury prone misfits and free agent bargain bin players. The only way to reduce injuries is to accept a year of rebuild and use it to cut the injury prone guys like peat and thomas.
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01-04-2023, 10:21 AM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We were a middle of the road team this season WITH all of the key injuries. Once we add new pieces through the draft and free agency there's no reason why we can't be contending for the Lombardi next season. Never gonna happen....especially with the prima donna and the thug... and the current coaching crew.....and the absence of a QB.... so on and so on
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01-03-2023, 07:57 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by SmashMouth If we're going to be a middle of the road team again, there is absolutely no reason to be cap strapped. We can be a middle of the road team paying way less for talent. I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

01-03-2023, 10:32 PM	#6
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'd rather spend money chasing a Superbowl than finish 8-9 with $50MM in unused cap space. We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points?
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01-04-2023, 07:29 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by BakoSaint We are struggling to finish 8-9 with $50MM over the cap for next year. Your scenario is imaginery. We wont be competing for any Lombardi trophies next year after losing even more players to the cap, watching aging stars grow a year older, and having no first round pick. We beat the Falcons by a combined 4 points. They can afford to add players like Lamar Jackson. Do you not think Lamar Jackson can score 4 points? We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.

01-04-2023, 07:35 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... It totally blows his narrative out of the water. That's why he ignores it.

01-04-2023, 09:21 AM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 We struggled with injuries - at an historic level, even! Not one, but TWO years in a row. You can't evaluate the team and not even mention it... I have said many times that our injuries are not a bug or fluke of Mickey Loomis’ system they are a feature. A major reason I advocate a rebuild is to clean house of our injury prone players. Its the people who argue for continuity who are ignoring the injury problem. Nobody has ever come back reliably from the stretch of 40 of 50 games that Thomas has missed. He will be injured next year just like Matt Ryan will blow big leads if given the opportunity. Andrus Peat will not play a full season, he never has. We are actually lucky on injuries that Taysom Hill has not had a major one yet. He always does with enough snaps. Guys like Mathieu and Landry are old and will be probe to injury. The way Loomis manages the cap we can’t get rid of the injury prone lame ducks like other teams do, we actually have to restructure their contacts with extensions to get under the cap. Had Julio Jones been a Saint not a Falcon he would still be on our roster and we would be talking about how its smart to keep him for 2023 and we can restructure his contract to add voidable years and prorate his converted bonus into 2028 and save $8 million vs $18 million dead cap to cut him so make it happen Loomis. You can convince yourself all you want that injuries are random but ultimately if a team seeks out and retains injury prone players they will have more injuries. This year was predictable. And exactly which injury rates are historic depends on what metric you use. The Chargers had a lot of injuries and are headed to the playoffs. The Steelers lost their best player for a lot of games and beat us. Plenty of teams have lost big players like Kupp and Stafford on the Rams. I am not ignoring the injuries I am saying we need to change our ways to prevent them and have more depth of mid round picks with upside to deal with them.
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01-03-2023, 09:51 AM	#10
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,447	Re: Jim Harbaugh Win-Win Idea I’ve forgotten about those picks we gave to the Eagles. In return we probably got the offensive rookie of the Year(Olave) and Penning. Would I give up a 1st rounder for Rasheed. Absolutely. He’s only leading all rookies in big play yardage and 2nd amongst all players. UK_WhoDat, Rsanders24, saintsfan1976 and 2 others like this.