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Nope. Not at all. I wasn't addressing you, actually. That was directed to that other person. You are definitely not "Saintsphobic", however, those others pointing out that "Thomas has missed a lot of games over the past three seasons" dozens of times in the past few months is a bit obsessive. We get it.

"Haters gonna hate" is a colloquial saying, or slang, that does not necessarily imply true hatred, but refers the consistently applied criticism applied by an individual or group towards a specific target.

Haters gonna hate is an informal way to express consolation, voice encouragement, or dismiss criticism. The phrase implies that criticism says more about the critic, or “hater,” than the person being criticized, i.e., that they are making judgements out of jealousy or their own negativity.

Once again, this is not directed toward you at all, Boston. As for others, "if the shoe fits" ...

:D

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The struggle...

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I will finish the sentence....regarding if the shoe fits.

...shove it up your ass :beatnik: :rofl:

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Michael Thomas’ shoe never fits because he is always having foot/ankle surgery. I am not jealous, because the surgeries sound painful. I just would rather my team pay people who will play. It haters are going to hate at least they are doing what they are supposed to do. “Players gonna play” is also a colloquilism, but not one that applies to Michael Thomas.

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A clear case of The Pot Calling The Kettle Black! an idiomatic phrase that people sometimes use to point out hypocrisy. It means that someone is criticizing another person for a fault they have even though the criticizer is also guilty of doing the same thing.

20 - 0 BABY!!!

Sit back and enjoy the Tap Dance with shoes that fit!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Michael Thomas missed 40 out of the last 50 games. He restructured his contract to stay in New Orleans on a prove it contract. He's betting on himself coming back strong and earning his incentives.

Our medical staff sent him back on the field too early and he reinjured himself. I don't blame him for not returning calls from the medical staff. He should be far enough removed from his injury that all the trainers have to do is build up his strength and rehab him. I don't trust the medical staff either. I've watched them misdiagnose injuries and rush players back, so I don't trust them.

Foster Moreau may have a different opinion though.

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Help me out. Maybe I'm missing something in this long drawn out melodrama. Did his following injury have anything to do with his first one?

And refresh my memory (because I seriously don't remember) but who else was misdiagnosed and rushed back to the field before being properly rehabbed?

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No. The two injuries were totally unrelated. He initially suffered a high ankle sprain and with prompting by the team played through the injury instead of undergoing treatment. He finally had to shut it down. After having off-season surgery to repair the damage he suffered a setback (guessing an infection) that required another surgery. During that offseason he rehabbed and was fully ready for play. That's when he suffered the toe injury that the team initially misdiagnosed (as mentioned by Rugs). It was a full dislocation that should have been addressed by surgery right away, but they had him wait and tried to rehab without surgery. He finally had the surgery and is now on track to return "good to go" for training camp according to both Loomis and Dennis Allen.

Delvin Breaux was another player who was misdiagnosed by the Saints medical staff and tried to file a malpractice claim. Unfortunately for him, misdiagnosis doesn't necessarily relate to malpractice unless it results in some sort of material damage.

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No it did not it and the second injury was to his other foot leilung. Hate that he got hurt, first injury cost him a season, came back play like MT, got hurt again different injury and some people claiming his just getting paid and intentionally not putting the effort to be back on the field.

With the intensity that MT has shown since he was draft in effort to improve, compete and dominate secondaries I’m just not sure how you dismiss that and say MT just cruising by and getting the check. Of course he’s getting the check he/saints have a contract and a contract is just that, a contract.
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None of us here on B&G know anything except MT was injured and that just about it, the truth is we don’t know what we don’t know.

Jus saying :beer::chug:

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:beatnik: :rofl:

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Michael Thomas - Prima Donna... Ultimate NO PLAY for PAY!!!!

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Spoken like a logical, informed person.

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Like Guido pointed out earlier they were unrelated injuries that got him last year. He came back playing hard and didn't reinjure himself. Instead, he hurt himself with a new injury. And that is somewhat disconcerting because he's older now and it's quite possible that he develops another nagging injury when he returns from rehab. He was rushed back too quickly after his initial diagnoses years ago and his likely HOF career was derailed by injury. Which, is why he didn't want to talk to the medical staff last year.

Delvin Breaux was the player I was referring to that had been misdiagnosed and sued the team. He had a promising career and I feel like the Saints medical staff cost him his NFL career. Why do players go on IR after four weeks of rehabbing an injury? There were several bad calls last year alone on whether to place a player on IR or rehab him. There have been countless numbers of times that the medical staff has underperformed throughout recent history. Most recently, I think about Winston's back and the troubles with diagnosing whether he was healthy enough or not to play.

I used to sell medical equipment to Ochsner. They are absolutely filthy! It's no wonder Mercer runs rampant through their facility. Saints players miss way too much time each year due to injury. I'm sure it's the medical staffs fault somehow. Honestly, I don't think MT has faith in the medical staff either.

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To be fair, part of the hesitancy of placing a player on IR now is because of the newer rules allowing recall to the active roster. There's a limit to how many can be recalled. With as many injuries as the Saints had to deal with last year they had to juggle who they did and didn't place on the list. If there was a chance of them returning in fewer than the mandatory period it would behoove them to save that spot for another player. The problem with that is that it isn't foolproof. In some cases recover earlier than estimated and in others it is longer.

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Michael Thomas... Gold Bricker

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How’s the cow doing map ?

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Blaming an external factor for why something was anomalous is problematic if that external factor is still present going forward. Our record was bad last year because of bad calls. Michael Thomas was unavailable because of bad doctors. Guess what, we have the same refs and doctors next year. And the refs are mad we complained. And the bad doctors have to be relied on both for the quality of their previous work on existing injuries on players who have already been injured and for the quality of their future work on players who have not been injured yet. They did great diagnosing a cancer with Moreau, and probably if a player got pregnant they would be the only team in the league to catch it, but the specialty where our medical staff really struggles is sports medicine. I wish we could fire the refs. We could fire the doctors. But we didn't. And so, expect the same results, and factor that into all predictions. We can debate all day whether any of this is Michael Thomas' fault or all the medical staffs, but regardless he is like a Formula One race car that has been fully disassembled and reassembled by Tim Allen's character from Home Improvement. I would not bet on everything holding together regardless of whose fault it is. There is just not a precedent for coming back effectively from missing 40 of 50 games due to a series of injures, even under the guidance of doctors who are good at sports medicine, much less under our doctors.

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She getting old... but happy. Thanks for asking.:bng:

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Ochsner’s was once a very well regarded Medical Group … expansion and large corporate practices have reduced the delivery to a bottom line driven process. I think this corporate philosophy has cause a talent drain due to conflict between front line health care professional and the management.

Similar results are seen over a wide range of organizations that go through similar transformations.

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Listen to Kay. Or at least watch. :D

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Just having Thomas back at practice brings the entire team closer. It's obvious that the players have Mike's back and are ready to have him back on the team. I was mad at him for not being in touch with the team leading up to last year but it's hard to blame him for not trusting the medical staff when they misdiagnose so many injuries or mistreat the few that they correctly diagnose.

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Every player when asked about Thomas basically all say the same thing about his work ethic and how he's the hardest worker they know. He's definitely a player favorite. Some people think he's aloof because of how quiet and reserved he always appears. The last WR we had that carried himself in that manner was Marques Colston, The Quiet Storm.

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YYYaaaawwwwnnnnn! :beatnik: Must be hard for you to breath, with all that prima donna crap blocking your nostrils.

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Okay I normally don’t argue with AG. Mostly because I don’t see his posts unless someone quotes his. Even then I don’t. But I have to here.

Comparing Thomas to Colston? Cmon. They are nothing alike. Colston was a hard working, team first player that was always reliable and seldomly injured. He was quiet on the field and off. He let his game do the talking for him. He was humble and classy. He had heart and that’s what drove him.

Michael Thomas is a loud, egotistical show off. He flexes every time he catches the ball, has been seen arguing with staff and players, and doesn’t seem one bit humble. His reliability on and off the field has been sub par in the past several seasons. Money and ego drive Thomas.

He may be a hard worker, but that’s where the comparison ends.

I’ll take Colston all day over a healthy MT. All day.

MT should never be compared to Colston. Ever.

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I was going to say much the same thing but I would be argumentative.

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Naw Boston,

Say as you feel, this is a discussion forum & no player is exempt from scrutiny.

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Not sure which Michael Thomas you've been watching, but when has he ever been loud and was an egotistical show-off? Have you ever watched his interviews? He is ALWAYS soft-spoken and unassuming. That's the Colston comparison I was making. That and he is every bit as hardworking as Colston ever was. Does he flex after a big play? Sure. What's wrong with that? And when has he been seen arguing with staff and players? His only issues were all centered around that one incident with that slimeball Gardner-Johnson at practice.

Besides, there isn't any player that hasn't had an argument at one point or another with a teammate or coach. It's all a part of the game. Ask any player that has played the game for any length of time.

If money is what drives Thomas why has he agreed to restructured "prove it" contracts? But, I will agree that ego is a driving force for Thomas. He has always said he has worked so hard his entire football career because he wanted to be the best. He says he knew working harder than anyone else was the only way that could be accomplished.

Colston and Thomas are the two WR's that have made the biggest impacts in Saints history. Both have a quiet, unassuming nature in all interviews. Both are known as being diligent workers in mastering their craft. Both are highly regarded by their teammates.

I will give you the fact that Colston was far more fortunate when it came to injuries. He had his share with pectoral, knee, back, AC joint, and foot sprains, but they didn't cost him as many games as the more serious injuries with which Thomas had been forced to deal.

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I'm just glad MT is back on the field leading the deepest roster of WR’s we’ve had since the Colston, Moore, Henderson, & Meachem days. Thomas, Olave, Shaheed, and Edwards/Washington sounds great to me. Time to prove the doubters wrong Carr.

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Yup! Agree completely, ice.

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Michael Thomas is soft spoken due to a chronic vocal cord injury. He will be very loud this season. He isn't ready to raise his voice yet but optimistic doctors say he will be ready in a few months if there are not any further setbacks.

Thomas agreed to be paid $10-15 million on a 'prove it' deal because it was not clear that any other team was willing to pay him $5 million. Odell Beckham Jr is a similar case and went unsigned for months. And Odell Beckham Jr has played 26 games (regular and postseason) the last 3 years while Thomas has played less than half that at 12 games. Michael Thomas did not truly agree to a prove-it deal because that would imply he took less money than he could get on the open market in order to load up on incentives. In reality 2/3rds of Michael Thomas' deal is not incentive based and there is no evidence any team would have offered him half what the Saints did. Michael Thomas took the best offer he could have got including a small bit of incentives. The reason the Saints offered Michael Thomas more than any other team would is that we needed to retain him and restructure his contract to avoid the cap hit from void years and deferred bonuses in his existing contract, in order to defer that money even further. What deferring the money further means is that even if Michael Thomas plays zero games and spends the entire season in strip clubs in a Falcons jersey, Loomis will be inclined to give him another 'prove it' extension so defer that money again. Otherwise the Saints eat $18 million dead cap in 2024. Thomas does not need to play football to be a Saint for life. He has approval to work remotely.

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Holy smokes, Smashmouth.
That's terrible. And terrific.

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Check out the guy's Twitter handle, @Breesoverrated.

Last I checked the Bills player didn't have surgery.

:rolleyes: