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Don't know how to upload- maybe someone else will. See CBS article:
titled:
" Michael Thomas breaks silence on suspension for punching Saints teammate prior to week 6"

Here is one small piece of article:
" Thomas also was said to be talking back to coaches, including head coach Sean Payton." the article goes on about his suspension.

Seems like diva behavior to me.

Look I wasn't out to hurt the guy. THOUGHT MY POST WAS GIVING HIM PROPS to get past his past transgressionS. Evidently some never thought this was a problem. Others as evidenced by posts following yours did.

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Yes. You identified the one and only time that Thomas lost his cool to the best of my knowledge. The incident did include arguing with coaches. Gardner-Johnson was reportedly hounding him to the point he blew his cool and retaliated. He wasn't the first player to have this happen to him in practice and won't be the last. The team obviously had to teach him a lesson to hold that temper. It seems to have worked well. But, I still don't see where this lone incident defines him as a diva when there are no indications anywhere else.

By the way, here's the link to that CBS article.

Michael Thomas breaks silence on suspension for punching Saints teammate prior to Week 6

Something else to keep in mind. As the article also points out, Thomas was trying to play through the injury at the time which had to have been weighing pretty heavily on his mind. It's no excuse for blowing his top, but it does add a bit of background to the whole incident.

Also from the article ...

"I've spoken with Mike [ Thomas]," Drew Brees told reporters following New Orleans' overtime win over the Chargers on Monday night. "Mike and I talk a lot, both in person and in the locker room, through text message. We're always communicating. And so, at the end of the day, Mike is a big part of this team. And he is going to be a big part of this team moving forward. We had an incident, and Sean (Payton) addressed it. And many of the leaders have spoken with Mike as well. And we're going to be all good."

Keep in mind, also, this was after the whole supposed deal between Thomas and Brees.

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AG I do not need to look back. I agree, I do "ride your ass". Sometimes adding an "IMO" or "I feel" would go a long way to showing humility and not appearing as if your subjective opinion is the definitive answer or the only opinion that matters. That chaps people and then, be it a character flaw in everyone else or you, defensive comments exude and then you stand with your hands up going "what did I do" as if you are an innocent bystander.

Whether you are unaware or it is intentional it is the root cause and the outcome is almost always the same.

I look in the mirror every day and am honest with myself, and when I am criticized such as you did in the above post, I check myself. At least I have awareness dude.

Personally, I don't know you as a real person we may get along fabulously, but in your online persona it is a challenge. I am a Saints fan and love the Saints and that is the only unifying factor I can see.

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That's fair. Honestly, I have been trying to address that perception. I have rewritten more responses in the past six months than I have in years. The issue may be that I have written quite a bit in most of my jobs before my retirement and it has all been fact based reporting or declaration of conclusion. In most cases my "clients" wanted answers and I had to give them definitive replies. Or I was reporting on events and simply had to state related facts.

It's just hard for me to ignore something stated by another as fact when I know for a fact that it is incorrect. That's something my jobs all required me to address with confidence. 30 years worth of application is hard to change. I'll try to be more "diplomatic". ;)

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We're all family here at the end of the day. It's ok to ride each other's arses for fun and giggles once in a while... :p

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I really think it should be noted that Drew Brees is the absolute professional. I really feel like he just stayed professional throughout the entire ordeal with Jenkins and MT because he knew that he wasn’t bigger than the team and getting into a pissing match with them would’ve further divided the team.

I honestly don’t think he actually came to terms with all this. I think he forced himself to conform for fear of being destroyed by his teammates and media. (I wish he would’ve held his ground. I would’ve respected that much more.)

Imo, he just layed down. Just like everyone else does for fear of reprisals and being canceled.

I love Drew but that was pretty cowardly. And he just never seemed the same after that.

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In my opinion Drew acted like an adult and admitted that he misunderstood the meaning behind the protests. He shared that he learned that they had nothing to do with the flag itself, nor the military, at all. It was just drawing attention to the ongoing injustices in a way that would garner attention. I personally came to the same understanding after talking with friends that experienced, and continue to experience, those injustices. It seems that there are several people out there that have never come to that understanding for one reason or another.

I actually have more respect for Brees than ever. It takes real balls to admit when you are wrong (in his interpretation of the actions) and to take the steps to admit the same. In my opinion, based upon what has been shared by Brees and his beloved teammates, I believe he came to terms with it all soon after the misunderstanding came to light. I just wish others had the same maturity.

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Brees wasn't "wrong". Stop saying that.

He may have been insensitive to others' feelings on a particular subject but he was not wrong in his feelings or beliefs.

I never heard a teammate address his comments as "hey, we view things differently", instead there was an immediate, loud group of people forcing him to "change" his views.

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He absolutely wasn't wrong about his feelings. Not at all. I don't believe anyone said he was including Brees himself. He was, once again, according to himself wrong about his interpretation of what the protests were about. Lots of people were wrong about that. Lots of people are still wrong about that. Brees never changed his views. He did, though, come to an understanding of what the the protest was about and how it had nothing to do with his views of God and country.

For those interested here's his complete statements:

I would like to apologize to my friends, teammates, the City of New Orleans, the black community, NFL community and anyone I hurt with my comments yesterday. In speaking with some of you, it breaks my heart to know the pain I have caused.

In an attempt to talk about respect, unity, and solidarity centered around the American flag and the national anthem, I made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues we are facing right now as a country. They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead, those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This could not be further from the truth, and is not an accurate reflection of my heart or my character.

This is where I stand:

I stand with the black community in the fight against systemic racial injustice and police brutality and support the creation of real policy change that will make a difference.

I condemn the years of oppression that have taken place throughout our black communities and still exists today.

I acknowledge that we as Americans, including myself, have not done enough to fight for that equality or to truly understand the struggles and plight of the black community.

I recognize that I am part of the solution and can be a leader for the black community in this movement.

I will never know what it's like to be a black man or raise black children in America but I will work every day to put myself in those shoes and fight for what is right.

I have ALWAYS been an ally, never an enemy.

I am sick about the way my comments were perceived yesterday, but I take full responsibility and accountability. I recognize that I should do less talking and more listening...and when the black community is talking about their pain, we all need to listen.

For that, I am very sorry and I ask your forgiveness.

And then in a video:

"I know that there's not much I can say that will make things any better right now. But I just want you to see it in my eyes how sorry I am for the comments that I made yesterday. I know that it hurt many people, especially friends, teammates, former teammates, loved ones, people that I care and respect deeply. That was never my intention. I wish I would have laid out what was on my heart in regards to the George Floyd murder, Ahmaud Arbery, the years and years of social injustice, police brutality and the need for so much reform and change in regards to legislation and so many other things to bring equality to our black communities. I am sorry and I will do better and I will be part of the solution. And I am your ally. And I know no words will do that justice."

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From the same article Demario Davis responded:

Saints linebacker Demario Davis responded to Brees' first apology during a Thursday morning appearance on CNN.

"Hearing Drew's apology, and that's the first I heard it, I think that is a form of true leadership. And I would say it because that's taking ownership," Davis said. "What we had hoped the first time was that Drew would elaborate more on racism and the sentiments of the black community, and he admitted he missed the mark. So for him to come out and say I missed the mark, I've been insensitive but what I'm going to do is start doing is listening and learning from the black community and finding ways that I can help them, I think that's a model for all of America. Because historically, in general, most of America has missed the mark in not hearing the cries.

"These are not new cries coming out on behalf of the black community. The black community has been crying for a long time. Now it's turned into a global outcry that it's time to stand up for black lives and make sure that they're not being killed in the streets and putting an end to racism and systematic injustice that's plagued this country for so long."

Davis continued: "And for him to admit that he was wrong and say, you know what, I can do better and I will do better, I think that is leadership at its finest. It's not easy to come out and admit when you're wrong. For a long time, I feel like a lot of people have taken that posture of not wanting to admit that they're wrong. And for him to do that, I think that's very symbolic of America, especially all the ethnic groups that aren't people of color, or black people, in understanding, hey, it's OK. You might have gotten it wrong, but don't get it wrong now.

"And that's what we have to be as a country. We can't get it wrong this time. We all have played a part also in helping try to direct the narrative away from the issues. We've all played a part in that, in getting caught up in different topics. At the end of the day, police brutality in America is a problem, racism in America is a problem, systematic injustice is a problem. And the reason why there are millions of people of all different backgrounds, all different colors, all different ethnic groups in the streets right now protesting, and around the world protesting on behalf of black lives, is because it's a global outcry. Because racism exists, systematic injustice exists, police brutality exists, especially around black people, and we need to fix it. And that's the most important thing."

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AG, you can believe what you want. But my opinion is that he is no different than all the other people that are too afraid to stand up for what they believe in or what they feel is right for fear of being called racist. Being torn apart and scorned by the press and vilified on social media.

He was absolutely justified in believing what he believed and had the right to his own opinion about kneeling. His teammates turned on him because he didn’t agree with them.

I don’t blame Drew for doing the whole public apology. He was at the end of his career. He wanted his team to stay a team. But I don’t believe for a second that any of the BS he put out there was anything more than just back tracking because he was being unfairly vilified and backstabbed by teammates. He conformed to save what little bit of his career he had left. In essence, he caved. Just like everyone else does when they don’t agree with the mob. Eventually they just get right in line for fear of being unjustly crucified. There is nothing righteous about that. It’s terrifying.

But hey, you have the right to your opinion. That was just mine.

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And you have the right to believe what you wish. We all project how we would react, I suppose, and expect others to have the same or similar reactions. I guess I give Brees far more credit than you and some others appear to give him. I try to expect the best out of people. I believe that Brees has far more character than you seem to acknowledge. There's probably lots of reasons behind our differences in perception. My father always taught me to look for the best in every person and I take that to heart. In your line of work (I believe you have mentioned you are in law enforcement?), and perhaps in your upbringing, you may have learned to be less trusting and more cynical. And I'm not meaning cynical as any sort of insult, either.

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I stand corrected! Drew Brees said "We still have a long way to go. But, I think what you do by standing there and showing respect to the flag with your hand over your heart, is it shows unity. It shows that we are all in this together, we can all do better and we are part of the solution."

Thomas did say "he don't know no better. And We don't care if you don't agree and whoever else agree about that."

Personally, I like to settle my differences in private. Away from the public eye and misconceptions. Let me clarify that I don't really care what Michael Thomas thinks. He doesn't care what Drew or I think. So, that's only fair.

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I've got a question for you, jnormand. In what way was Brees supposedly backstabbed by Michael Thomas in your opinion? Thomas had made only two public statements concerning the issue. The first was protecting his QB from other's attacks by saying that Brees didn't understand the reason behind the protests. In the second he pointed out that there were others that also didn't understand.

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Yet they've moved on and remain close friends. I suggest we take their lead and do the same.

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The point is what anyone "felt" we won't ever know. We also won't know what was said in private, nor would we know the level of sincerity or any emotions behind any of the published comments. All we know is what was painted in the media.

Everyone's opinion should be respected, even though it is sometimes difficult when it doesn't align with our opinion. In today's environment we have lost the ability to say, we are just going to have to agree to disagree. We don't always agree with how the opinion is delivered but that is a totally different story.

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Can't disagree with any of that, sub.

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Disagree with my opinions!!?? I’m your huckleberry.

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Lets all debate whether Cie Grant is woke and where he stands on BLM because thats equally relevent on the field given their similar durability.

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What do you mean by “woke”?

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Don’t open that can of worms. It’s just another bastardized term that people use that are completely indoctrinated by politics. Similar to “patriot.” Not remotely relevant to the thread.

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I get tired of hearing coworkers and even some “friends” using it. I was hoping that poster would be willing to hear the correct usage. I guess I was hoping for a little too much.

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I'm assuming that poster was Bako. I haven't seen anyone else go there in this thread and saw he just posted something. I've had him on "Ignore" for some time now since all he contributes are hate posts about Saints management and players. I hadn't expected him to take the "woke" road as well. Can't say I'm surprised.

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I went back and looked. You are correct.

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I used the term in the context of saying it was not relevent. I see all this debate on how Michael Thomas called out Brees on the kneeling issue, a page of debate about it, and basically to me this amounts to debating whether Thomas is ‘woke’ or not a ‘patriot’ and my view is I dont care, he isn’t durable anymore so it doesnt matter. We might as well be debating whether Cie Grant is woke or a patriot etc.

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Dang Bako, I had to look up Cie Grant.

Had no idea who he was ... and was drafted by the Saints :crazy:

Anyways, when does training camp start again :bng:?

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Back on topic. Who Dat baby! How 'bout them Saints? :bng:

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In all fairness, he was a forgettable pick. :doh:

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New Orleans 2003 Draft picks

Rd 1 Jonathan Sullivan :rolleyes:
Rd 2 Jon Stinchcomb
Rd 3 Cie Grant
Rd 4 Montrae Holland
Rd 5 Melvin Williams
Rd 6 Kareem Kelly
Rd 7 Talman Gardner

To be fair, outside of Stinchcomb that entire 03 draft was straight trash can material x-(

Rumor has it, Haslett had his kids input on most of those picks :p

I kid, I kid.

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But, for some reason that name stuck with me. Maybe he's the only Cie out there.

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If one wrote a book on exactly how to eff up a draft, this list would come close to a perfect example.

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I guess that's when they began to learn the lesson to not wait on whatever falls to your slot, but to identify exactly who you want and go get them whatever it takes. Loomis and Ireland in their combined brilliance have perfected the model.

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Yeah Stinchy was good. I remember having all these high hopes for Grant. Talk about a wasted pick. But Sully takes the cake there. Good grief.

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We traded two mid first rounders to move up for Jonathan Sullivan. There’s your perfection.

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The same team doctors caught Foster’s lymphoma

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Our doctors only have one weakness. Sports medicine.

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HA!! :roflmao: For once we agree Bako!

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Oof. Didn’t realize the Sullivan draft was that brutal. Yikes

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I don't believe so. Dr. John Amoss discovered the Hodgkin's Lymphoma in Moreau. He's with LSU and is an internist. I believe Thomas' team doctors were orthopedics from Oschner.

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I read it was triggered by Saints doctors detecting lymph node swelling during his Saints physical