Is there a second verse to this same old song?

nope.... tells it all in just one verse.


Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
"the Saints have little to no leverage" fits perfectly with "the Saints suffer from too many fumbles and false starts" and "the Saints have been decimated with injuries" and "the Saints couldn't have possibly prepared to secure a Championship-Caliber Quarterback, while Drew was in decline" or "the Saints couldn't have possibly invested $60 million in something beyond turf toe" or whatever sorry excuse some fans come upon with to give dismal ownership and (mis)management of a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM a pass.

Tell me, please, exactly what leverage do you believe the Saints have beyond simply refusing the transfer of his rights?

That gets them literally nothing in return. They cannot play one suitor against another because Payton is the one that gets to choose where he wants to go. The Saints literally have little to no leverage. Payton carries by far the most leverage, followed closely by the individual team of his choice. The Saints pull up the rear in the leverage race by a good margin.

Supply and demand. The fact that he's a hot commodity is advantageous to the Saints. That creates leverage especially if we can pin two teams against each other. You've made the assumption that Sean is only going to give us one choice to fit your narrative.

Owning his rights is the single most important leverage there is. If we have no leverage, you're basically saying we have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us or risk not getting any compensation at all. That's not how it's going to work. That doesn't make any damn sense.

Supply and demand. The fact that he's a hot commodity is advantageous to the Saints. That creates leverage especially if we can pin two teams against each other. You've made the assumption that Sean is only going to give us one choice to fit your narrative.

Owning his rights is the single most important leverage there is. If we have no leverage, you're basically saying we have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us or risk not getting any compensation at all. That's not how it's going to work. That doesn't make any damn sense.

I've tried unsuccessfully to explain this to Guido several times.

The whole song is based on loyal, dedicated fans, demanding excellence from a PROFFESIONAL SPORTS/ENTERTAINMENT organization. Some seem to remain under the hypnosis of wishful thinking that everything will just sort itself out if we just sit back and fork over our money, while no meaningful adjustments are made. These fans will continue to find excuses to justify the continued poor performance, and may actually enjoy the abuse. That psychology is above my pay grade.

After what we just witnessed this season, and at this time of the year, when other teams advance into the post-season, we need to be seeing some radical changes and adjustments being made. It's not happening. I just cannot sing "Kumbaya" when thinking about what our next season is going to look like.

I fully understand economics. I aced all four semesters of it at LSU-S. Supply and demand requires an open market, meaning there has to be multiple buyers. There aren't in this case for the Saints. There is one single buyer and that's the buyer that Sean Payton chooses, if he chooses one at all. On the other hand, the team that Payton chooses has access to multiple products (head coaching candidates) from different sources. They can keep all of their draft capital and make a different coaching hire if they so choose.

And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts.

Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't.