Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

TheOak · 01-11-2023, 06:27 PM

The Arizona Cardinals and Houston Texans have requested -- and received -- permission to interview former New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton, the NFL Network reported Wednesday.

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rezburna · 01-11-2023, 06:43 PM

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SmashMouth · 01-11-2023, 08:26 PM

Bidding fixing to begin... !!!

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Bidding fixing to begin... !!!

Originally Posted by papz

All good news. Let the bidding war commence.

Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded.

However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded.

However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available.

Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist.

saintsfan1976 · 01-12-2023, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist.

Regardless, unless we know the totality of he offer as well as the franchise's plans it's an assumption.

papz · 01-12-2023, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we.

AsylumGuido · 01-12-2023, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by papz

We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we.

That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere.

TheOak · 01-12-2023, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere.

The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out.

Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind.

01-11-2023, 06:27 PM	#1
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by SmashMouth Bidding fixing to begin... !!! Originally Posted by papz All good news. Let the bidding war commence. Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton. That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal. In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.
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01-12-2023, 08:17 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton. That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal. In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands. Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded. However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available.

01-12-2023, 08:32 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded. However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available. Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Bidding fixing to begin... !!! iceshack149 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist. Regardless, unless we know the totality of he offer as well as the franchise's plans it's an assumption. K Major likes this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton. That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal. In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands. We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we. iceshack149, turbo_dog, saintsfan1976 and 3 others like this.

01-12-2023, 10:18 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by papz We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we. That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere.

01-12-2023, 11:45 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere. The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out. Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind. UK_WhoDat, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.
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