Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Extremely well reasoned opinion.

Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different.

I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that.

The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy.

What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post.

Here's what you pasted:

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts.

I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus".

Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted.

I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post.

Here's what you pasted:

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts.

I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus".

Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted.

I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success.

Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton.

You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton.

You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.

Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am.

Let's see what happens.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am.

Let's see what happens.

Once again, believe me, I would absolutely love multiple firsts including #2 or #3. I'm just laying the groundwork that the front office isn't to blame if it turns out to be less than that.

There's an old saying that my great grandfather used to share all the time.

"It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick."

Meaning sometimes it's better to get a little something rather than nothing.

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 11:47 AM

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 12:16 PM

I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes.

And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

AsylumGuido · 01-13-2023, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes.

And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

Again - Unless they have other plans we're not aware of.

rezburna · 01-13-2023, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...30357086199809

We need that #3 pick.

saintsfan1976 · 01-13-2023, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

We need that #3 pick.

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Levis has tools for days. Quick release, howitzer arm, legit rushing ability — Levis has it all. And unlike most quarterbacks billed for their tools at the collegiate level, Levis isn’t far off from being able to operate an NFL offense because he’s been doing it the last two years under current (Liam Coen) and former (Rich Scangarello) NFL offensive coordinators.

4. QB C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE
Stroud will get the “Ohio State quarterback” knock, given the success of his predecessors, but he operates the position differently than Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields did. He’s a pure pocket passer who’s been tremendous at avoiding sacks over his career, with only a 12.7% pressure-to-sack conversion rate.

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01-13-2023, 10:46 AM	#61
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Extremely well reasoned opinion. Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different. I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that. The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy. What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post. Here's what you pasted: Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts. I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus". Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted. I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success. Rugby Saint II and halloween 65 like this.

01-13-2023, 11:01 AM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post. Here's what you pasted: Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts. I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus". Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted. I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success. Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10. The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton. You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

01-13-2023, 11:07 AM	#63
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10. The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton. You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton. Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am. Let's see what happens.

01-13-2023, 11:22 AM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am. Let's see what happens. Once again, believe me, I would absolutely love multiple firsts including #2 or #3. I'm just laying the groundwork that the front office isn't to blame if it turns out to be less than that. There's an old saying that my great grandfather used to share all the time. "It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." Meaning sometimes it's better to get a little something rather than nothing.

01-13-2023, 11:47 AM	#65
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01-13-2023, 12:16 PM	#66
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes. And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

01-13-2023, 12:37 PM	#67
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes. And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise! I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

01-13-2023, 01:05 PM	#68
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona. Again - Unless they have other plans we're not aware of. iceshack149 likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...30357086199809 We need that #3 pick. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-13-2023, 01:57 PM	#70
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna We need that #3 pick. 3. QB WILL LEVIS, KENTUCKY Levis has tools for days. Quick release, howitzer arm, legit rushing ability — Levis has it all. And unlike most quarterbacks billed for their tools at the collegiate level, Levis isn’t far off from being able to operate an NFL offense because he’s been doing it the last two years under current (Liam Coen) and former (Rich Scangarello) NFL offensive coordinators. 4. QB C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE Stroud will get the “Ohio State quarterback” knock, given the success of his predecessors, but he operates the position differently than Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields did. He’s a pure pocket passer who’s been tremendous at avoiding sacks over his career, with only a 12.7% pressure-to-sack conversion rate. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-...oard-big-board Rugby Saint II and rezburna like this.