Evaluating Coaches

Rugby Saint II · 02-21-2023, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I've been doing more thinking about Carmichael. He was intricately involved in the play design phase for the last decade and a half. Sure, it's easier to design plays when it's Brees out there to execute them, but I doubt he's forgotten everything about that aspect of the job. I see his problem this past season as being far too conservative in the actual playcalling. Looking back over the years there have been occasions where he had those duties for one reason or another and was surprisingly aggressive and quite effective in making his calls.

What has changed? Is it perhaps the responsibility is too large? Is he concerned about screwing up? Did he not trust the QB's or the line? Did Allen, as was mentioned earlier, tell him to be conservative?

Like Dennis Allen, Carmichael is also in over his head. Although, when he called plays previously he was still calling plays for a team built by Sean Payton. If I remember correctly he did not want to be offensive coordinator last year and had to be talked into it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis Allen told Pete Carmichael to play not to lose. Just keep doing what you're doing.

Sinner · 01-18-2023, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Back in the Jim Mora era, it was widely assumed the conservative/crappy play calling was because of Carl Smith. Many years later it was leaked by several ex players it was Jim Mora calling the shots the entire time and that Carl Smith was only doing what he was told to do. The point of this is on the surface we can all assume it's Pete Carmichael's fault, but it really could be the plays that the Dennis Allen is wanting called.

And Jim Mora had a personality.

Sinner · 01-18-2023, 02:55 PM

Looking at a list of "one and done" head coaches throughout history, the fact that D.A. isn't on that list right now, should surprise those who have faith in the mismanagement of this organization. It doesn't surprise those of us who don't.

Rugby Saint II · 01-18-2023, 03:32 PM

I still don't believe we have not made one coaching change. Sometimes I'm surprised at The Audacity Of This front office.

K Major · 01-18-2023, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I still don't believe we have not made one coaching change. Sometimes I'm surprised at The Audacity Of This front office.

And some playoff teams have already fired their OC, yet Pete is still walking around employed in New Orleans.

Brace yourself, 2023 could be rough.

AsylumGuido · 01-18-2023, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

And some playoff teams have already fired their OC, yet Pete is still walking around employed in New Orleans.

Brace yourself, 2023 could be rough.

I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs.

Sinner · 01-18-2023, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs.

"Playoffs?!?!? Playoffs?!?!? You kiddin me?!?!?"

~ Jim Mora

AsylumGuido · 01-18-2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"Playoffs?!?!? Playoffs?!?!? You kiddin me?!?!?"

~ Jim Mora

Nope. Not kidding. You slip into the dance and you at least have a chance to take home the prom queen.

dizzle88 · 01-18-2023, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs.

That was only because every team in our division sucked on the same level.

They can't be content with nearly making the playoffs, because the fact of the matter is some very shocking teams beat us.

If they fall into that "we nearly made the playoffs so let's not change anything" then it's going to be rough year after rough year.

AsylumGuido · 01-18-2023, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

That was only because every team in our division sucked on the same level.

They can't be content with nearly making the playoffs, because the fact of the matter is some very shocking teams beat us.

If they fall into that "we nearly made the playoffs so let's not change anything" then it's going to be rough year after rough year.

I get that. How about changing the QB? That is the single most impactful position on the team. Let's address that. How about changing the playcalling? I addressed that a few minutes ago.

The defense was one of the best in the league, especially down the stretch. That's not easy when your offense is constantly going three and out. If we can get the offense even respectable we can be dangerous again.

I do not believe we are far away. A few less key players sitting on IR or on the bench would help, as well.

02-21-2023, 03:35 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I've been doing more thinking about Carmichael. He was intricately involved in the play design phase for the last decade and a half. Sure, it's easier to design plays when it's Brees out there to execute them, but I doubt he's forgotten everything about that aspect of the job. I see his problem this past season as being far too conservative in the actual playcalling. Looking back over the years there have been occasions where he had those duties for one reason or another and was surprisingly aggressive and quite effective in making his calls. What has changed? Is it perhaps the responsibility is too large? Is he concerned about screwing up? Did he not trust the QB's or the line? Did Allen, as was mentioned earlier, tell him to be conservative? Like Dennis Allen, Carmichael is also in over his head. Although, when he called plays previously he was still calling plays for a team built by Sean Payton. If I remember correctly he did not want to be offensive coordinator last year and had to be talked into it. I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis Allen told Pete Carmichael to play not to lose. Just keep doing what you're doing. Sinner likes this.

01-18-2023, 03:20 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by MatthewT Back in the Jim Mora era, it was widely assumed the conservative/crappy play calling was because of Carl Smith. Many years later it was leaked by several ex players it was Jim Mora calling the shots the entire time and that Carl Smith was only doing what he was told to do. The point of this is on the surface we can all assume it's Pete Carmichael's fault, but it really could be the plays that the Dennis Allen is wanting called. And Jim Mora had a personality. UK_WhoDat and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-18-2023, 02:55 PM	#3
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Evaluating Coaches Looking at a list of "one and done" head coaches throughout history, the fact that D.A. isn't on that list right now, should surprise those who have faith in the mismanagement of this organization. It doesn't surprise those of us who don't. MatthewT likes this.
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01-18-2023, 03:32 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Evaluating Coaches I still don't believe we have not made one coaching change. Sometimes I'm surprised at The Audacity Of This front office. UK_WhoDat, dizzle88 and Sinner like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I still don't believe we have not made one coaching change. Sometimes I'm surprised at The Audacity Of This front office. And some playoff teams have already fired their OC, yet Pete is still walking around employed in New Orleans. Brace yourself, 2023 could be rough. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by K Major And some playoff teams have already fired their OC, yet Pete is still walking around employed in New Orleans. Brace yourself, 2023 could be rough. I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs.

01-18-2023, 04:26 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs. "Playoffs?!?!? Playoffs?!?!? You kiddin me?!?!?" ~ Jim Mora
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01-18-2023, 04:30 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by Sinner "Playoffs?!?!? Playoffs?!?!? You kiddin me?!?!?" ~ Jim Mora Nope. Not kidding. You slip into the dance and you at least have a chance to take home the prom queen.

01-18-2023, 04:57 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'd rather be positive and look for us to easily win the division and make a run in the playoffs. It can't be any rougher than this past season and we finished literally one win out of the playoffs. That was only because every team in our division sucked on the same level. They can't be content with nearly making the playoffs, because the fact of the matter is some very shocking teams beat us. If they fall into that "we nearly made the playoffs so let's not change anything" then it's going to be rough year after rough year. Sinner and K Major like this.

01-18-2023, 05:05 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Evaluating Coaches Originally Posted by dizzle88 That was only because every team in our division sucked on the same level. They can't be content with nearly making the playoffs, because the fact of the matter is some very shocking teams beat us. If they fall into that "we nearly made the playoffs so let's not change anything" then it's going to be rough year after rough year. I get that. How about changing the QB? That is the single most impactful position on the team. Let's address that. How about changing the playcalling? I addressed that a few minutes ago. The defense was one of the best in the league, especially down the stretch. That's not easy when your offense is constantly going three and out. If we can get the offense even respectable we can be dangerous again. I do not believe we are far away. A few less key players sitting on IR or on the bench would help, as well.