Tanking 2023 Season

BakoSaint · 02-01-2023, 02:21 PM

I don't think a team should ever tank on purpose. Losing on purpose does irreparable harm to a teams culture. However, I think we should focus on purging bad contracts of aging, injury prone, and suspension prone players no matter how big the cap hit and even if they might have a year or two left of good production. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to win a championship in 2023 with our aging players. So I would be more excited and get more enjoyment watching a team of young scrappy underdogs giving it their all to make names for themselves. Maybe lower floor on their production, probably no guarantees, but a lot more upside long term to bringing in the next generation. I don't want Derek Carr. 9-8 with the highest cap problems going into 2024 would not be a ring. So I say don't tank, but do put the season on younger shoulders and try to find more diamonds in the rough like Shaheed or the next Brock Purdy. Underdogs can surprise you and maybe we could go 9-8 and have a clean cap for 2024 and all our draft picks. Or maybe the young underdogs would be the next Ian Books and Adam Troutman's and we lose a lot of games. Put it on the table with young talent and see what happens is what I say. Don't seek out costly veteran band aids like Derek Carr to try to make safer bets to scrape out 9-8. I don't want to watch that. It's not exciting.

We only shut out one team in 2022. That teams QB was Derek Carr. Then Carr got benched. Tanking is bad enough. In my opinion bringing in Carr would amount to stretching our salary cap in order to tank. Lets stay away from Carr and Ryan and not pay to lose games.

Pete · 02-01-2023, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024?

Will they need to since DA is still in charge?

Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility?

None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB.

Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol

SmashMouth · 02-01-2023, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol

A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class.

It's only four more losses.

rezburna · 02-01-2023, 09:37 PM

How far we’ve fallen.

Pete · 02-01-2023, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class.

It's only four more losses.

If the roster were filled truly team players they would all go on strike to make this even more of shot @ the '24 #1

What trade compensation could we get for DA? 😂

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

How far we’ve fallen.

I take it you are referring to the fanbase, no?

GeauxForMore · 02-02-2023, 09:47 AM

No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC.

I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC.

I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team.

I'm more concerned with the QB situation and the patchwork offensive line from last season. True, the playcalling was too conservative for my taste, but I am wanting to see what we do in free agency and the draft before trying to make any real judgements about 2023. I could see wide open receivers all season long from the stands and Dalton wouldn't or couldn't get them the ball. He needs to go.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 10:15 AM

This falls in line with what I was just saying.

leilung · 02-02-2023, 10:33 AM

Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working.

Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?

02-01-2023, 02:21 PM	#11
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Tanking 2023 Season I don't think a team should ever tank on purpose. Losing on purpose does irreparable harm to a teams culture. However, I think we should focus on purging bad contracts of aging, injury prone, and suspension prone players no matter how big the cap hit and even if they might have a year or two left of good production. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to win a championship in 2023 with our aging players. So I would be more excited and get more enjoyment watching a team of young scrappy underdogs giving it their all to make names for themselves. Maybe lower floor on their production, probably no guarantees, but a lot more upside long term to bringing in the next generation. I don't want Derek Carr. 9-8 with the highest cap problems going into 2024 would not be a ring. So I say don't tank, but do put the season on younger shoulders and try to find more diamonds in the rough like Shaheed or the next Brock Purdy. Underdogs can surprise you and maybe we could go 9-8 and have a clean cap for 2024 and all our draft picks. Or maybe the young underdogs would be the next Ian Books and Adam Troutman's and we lose a lot of games. Put it on the table with young talent and see what happens is what I say. Don't seek out costly veteran band aids like Derek Carr to try to make safer bets to scrape out 9-8. I don't want to watch that. It's not exciting. We only shut out one team in 2022. That teams QB was Derek Carr. Then Carr got benched. Tanking is bad enough. In my opinion bringing in Carr would amount to stretching our salary cap in order to tank. Lets stay away from Carr and Ryan and not pay to lose games. jnormand, neugey, papz and 3 others like this.
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02-01-2023, 02:47 PM	#12
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,753	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024? Will they need to since DA is still in charge? Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility? None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB. Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol iceshack149 and SmashMouth like this.

02-01-2023, 08:49 PM	#13
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Pete Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class. It's only four more losses. K Major likes this.

02-01-2023, 09:37 PM	#14
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Tanking 2023 Season How far we’ve fallen. leilung, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

02-01-2023, 11:33 PM	#15
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,753	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class. It's only four more losses. If the roster were filled truly team players they would all go on strike to make this even more of shot @ the '24 #1 What trade compensation could we get for DA? 😂 SmashMouth likes this.

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02-02-2023, 09:25 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by rezburna How far we’ve fallen. I take it you are referring to the fanbase, no?

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GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 589	Re: Tanking 2023 Season No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC. I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team. SmashMouth likes this.

02-02-2023, 09:55 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by GeauxForMore No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC. I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team. I'm more concerned with the QB situation and the patchwork offensive line from last season. True, the playcalling was too conservative for my taste, but I am wanting to see what we do in free agency and the draft before trying to make any real judgements about 2023. I could see wide open receivers all season long from the stands and Dalton wouldn't or couldn't get them the ball. He needs to go.

02-02-2023, 10:15 AM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Tanking 2023 Season This falls in line with what I was just saying. Twitter

02-02-2023, 10:33 AM	#20
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,373	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Other than Indy's 'Suck for Luck', can anyone tell me when obvious tanking ever worked out well as a good long term solution? Just asking because I can't remember it ever working. Relying on good scouting and quality diamonds in the rough have always been a strength of this team. Are we really that desperate at this point?