Tanking 2023 Season

iceshack149 · 02-01-2023, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024?

Will they need to since DA is still in charge?

Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility?

None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB.

Never.
Never EVER.

Also, this will likely be the last year for a few studs who gave all they had during their tenure with the Saints. I'd hate to see Cam and DeMario go out like that.

jnormand · 02-01-2023, 12:59 PM

Don’t worry about tanking. It’ll happen naturally because we’re gonna suck!!!

BakoSaint · 02-01-2023, 01:21 PM

I don't think a team should ever tank on purpose. Losing on purpose does irreparable harm to a teams culture. However, I think we should focus on purging bad contracts of aging, injury prone, and suspension prone players no matter how big the cap hit and even if they might have a year or two left of good production. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to win a championship in 2023 with our aging players. So I would be more excited and get more enjoyment watching a team of young scrappy underdogs giving it their all to make names for themselves. Maybe lower floor on their production, probably no guarantees, but a lot more upside long term to bringing in the next generation. I don't want Derek Carr. 9-8 with the highest cap problems going into 2024 would not be a ring. So I say don't tank, but do put the season on younger shoulders and try to find more diamonds in the rough like Shaheed or the next Brock Purdy. Underdogs can surprise you and maybe we could go 9-8 and have a clean cap for 2024 and all our draft picks. Or maybe the young underdogs would be the next Ian Books and Adam Troutman's and we lose a lot of games. Put it on the table with young talent and see what happens is what I say. Don't seek out costly veteran band aids like Derek Carr to try to make safer bets to scrape out 9-8. I don't want to watch that. It's not exciting.

We only shut out one team in 2022. That teams QB was Derek Carr. Then Carr got benched. Tanking is bad enough. In my opinion bringing in Carr would amount to stretching our salary cap in order to tank. Lets stay away from Carr and Ryan and not pay to lose games.

Pete · 02-01-2023, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024?

Will they need to since DA is still in charge?

Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility?

None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB.

Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol

SmashMouth · 02-01-2023, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pete

Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol

A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class.

It's only four more losses.

Pete · 02-01-2023, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class.

It's only four more losses.

If the roster were filled truly team players they would all go on strike to make this even more of shot @ the '24 #1

What trade compensation could we get for DA? 😂

rezburna · 02-01-2023, 08:37 PM

How far we’ve fallen.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

How far we’ve fallen.

I take it you are referring to the fanbase, no?

GeauxForMore · 02-02-2023, 08:47 AM

No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC.

I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2023, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC.

I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team.

I'm more concerned with the QB situation and the patchwork offensive line from last season. True, the playcalling was too conservative for my taste, but I am wanting to see what we do in free agency and the draft before trying to make any real judgements about 2023. I could see wide open receivers all season long from the stands and Dalton wouldn't or couldn't get them the ball. He needs to go.

02-01-2023, 12:59 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Don’t worry about tanking. It’ll happen naturally because we’re gonna suck!!! SmashMouth and K Major like this.

02-01-2023, 01:21 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Tanking 2023 Season I don't think a team should ever tank on purpose. Losing on purpose does irreparable harm to a teams culture. However, I think we should focus on purging bad contracts of aging, injury prone, and suspension prone players no matter how big the cap hit and even if they might have a year or two left of good production. I don't think we have a reasonable chance to win a championship in 2023 with our aging players. So I would be more excited and get more enjoyment watching a team of young scrappy underdogs giving it their all to make names for themselves. Maybe lower floor on their production, probably no guarantees, but a lot more upside long term to bringing in the next generation. I don't want Derek Carr. 9-8 with the highest cap problems going into 2024 would not be a ring. So I say don't tank, but do put the season on younger shoulders and try to find more diamonds in the rough like Shaheed or the next Brock Purdy. Underdogs can surprise you and maybe we could go 9-8 and have a clean cap for 2024 and all our draft picks. Or maybe the young underdogs would be the next Ian Books and Adam Troutman's and we lose a lot of games. Put it on the table with young talent and see what happens is what I say. Don't seek out costly veteran band aids like Derek Carr to try to make safer bets to scrape out 9-8. I don't want to watch that. It's not exciting. We only shut out one team in 2022. That teams QB was Derek Carr. Then Carr got benched. Tanking is bad enough. In my opinion bringing in Carr would amount to stretching our salary cap in order to tank. Lets stay away from Carr and Ryan and not pay to lose games. jnormand, neugey, papz and 3 others like this.
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02-01-2023, 01:47 PM	#4
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024? Will they need to since DA is still in charge? Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility? None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB. Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol iceshack149 and SmashMouth like this.

02-01-2023, 07:49 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,554 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Pete Stirring the hell out of that crawfish pot aren't you Smash lol A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class. It's only four more losses. K Major likes this.

02-01-2023, 10:33 PM	#6
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth A 3-14 season is needed to all but guarantee finding QB1 in loaded ‘24 class. It's only four more losses. If the roster were filled truly team players they would all go on strike to make this even more of shot @ the '24 #1 What trade compensation could we get for DA? 😂 SmashMouth likes this.

02-01-2023, 11:18 AM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth Should the Saints tank the season for a super high draft pick in 2024? Will they need to since DA is still in charge? Does the weakest division in football negate that possibility? None of the four teams have an established starting caliber QB. Never. Never EVER. Also, this will likely be the last year for a few studs who gave all they had during their tenure with the Saints. I'd hate to see Cam and DeMario go out like that. AsylumGuido likes this.

02-01-2023, 08:37 PM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Tanking 2023 Season How far we’ve fallen. leilung, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

02-02-2023, 08:25 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by rezburna How far we’ve fallen. I take it you are referring to the fanbase, no?

02-02-2023, 08:47 AM	#9
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Re: Tanking 2023 Season No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC. I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team. SmashMouth likes this.

02-02-2023, 08:55 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by GeauxForMore No to tanking. That type of culture takes forever to get rid of. I am concerned about the direction this team is going and what the plan is going to be. The defense was good but there has been alot of turnover there. The O was horrible, but nothing has changed coaching wise. Here's hoping we change Carmichael position to something else and we bring in a new OC. I don't have much hope for this year and I absolutely don't believe in DA. His track record proves he is not a good head coach, but I will still watch every game and support my team. I'm more concerned with the QB situation and the patchwork offensive line from last season. True, the playcalling was too conservative for my taste, but I am wanting to see what we do in free agency and the draft before trying to make any real judgements about 2023. I could see wide open receivers all season long from the stands and Dalton wouldn't or couldn't get them the ball. He needs to go.