Tanking 2023 Season

AsylumGuido · 02-27-2023, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

This is my point. No starting caliber qb but yet we won 7 games and were in many more. Just imagine if we get someone who can deliver the ball

Exactly, voodoo! I totally believe we would have won at the very least four more games with Winston in there. All Dalton could do was dump off short passes behind the chains. He couldn't hit anyone down field. We had receivers running wide open down field all season long.

AsylumGuido · 02-27-2023, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The problem is that Dennis Allen does not Inspire confidence with his record, his leadership skills, or his play calling ability on offense, I don't follow football outside of the New Orleans Saints, but when the media talks about the Saints I have never heard Dennis Allen receive a compliment other than being a good defensive coordinator. Mostly, people are talking about his record and how he was handed A well-stocked thing that failed.

Allen's record in Oakland is meaningless. That roster was bad from top to bottom. As for his play calling on offense, he has no more input on offensive play calling than Payton had on defensive play calling. That was all on Carmichael and his staff as far as play design and calling. But, to be fair, Carmichael was limited to what Dalton could do behind a makeshift offensive line while missing three of his top receivers (Thomas, Landry, and Harty) for most of the season.

You say the team was well stocked when Allen took over. Well, I guess they had a huge fire in the stock room before opening shop because it looked more like Big Lots than Macy's out there with all of the inferior products on the shelves.

Rugby Saint II · 02-27-2023, 11:10 AM

Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean.

AsylumGuido · 02-27-2023, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean.

I'm not seeing Payton's playbook in the offense at all. If we were then we'd be seeing more screens and sweeps. More ingenuity with the RB's. Don't forget that it was Payton, Brees, AND Carmichael that designed plays before. Last season it was Carmichael, Dan Roushar (running game), and Ronald Curry (passing game) that would have been doing the play design. And remember that they fired Roushar right away after the season.

I'm hoping that they actually go back to some of Payton's plays.

02-27-2023, 08:33 AM	#41
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by voodooido This is my point. No starting caliber qb but yet we won 7 games and were in many more. Just imagine if we get someone who can deliver the ball Exactly, voodoo! I totally believe we would have won at the very least four more games with Winston in there. All Dalton could do was dump off short passes behind the chains. He couldn't hit anyone down field. We had receivers running wide open down field all season long.

02-27-2023, 08:41 AM	#42
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The problem is that Dennis Allen does not Inspire confidence with his record, his leadership skills, or his play calling ability on offense, I don't follow football outside of the New Orleans Saints, but when the media talks about the Saints I have never heard Dennis Allen receive a compliment other than being a good defensive coordinator. Mostly, people are talking about his record and how he was handed A well-stocked thing that failed. Allen's record in Oakland is meaningless. That roster was bad from top to bottom. As for his play calling on offense, he has no more input on offensive play calling than Payton had on defensive play calling. That was all on Carmichael and his staff as far as play design and calling. But, to be fair, Carmichael was limited to what Dalton could do behind a makeshift offensive line while missing three of his top receivers (Thomas, Landry, and Harty) for most of the season. You say the team was well stocked when Allen took over. Well, I guess they had a huge fire in the stock room before opening shop because it looked more like Big Lots than Macy's out there with all of the inferior products on the shelves.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-27-2023, 11:10 AM	#43
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean.

02-27-2023, 12:58 PM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean. I'm not seeing Payton's playbook in the offense at all. If we were then we'd be seeing more screens and sweeps. More ingenuity with the RB's. Don't forget that it was Payton, Brees, AND Carmichael that designed plays before. Last season it was Carmichael, Dan Roushar (running game), and Ronald Curry (passing game) that would have been doing the play design. And remember that they fired Roushar right away after the season. I'm hoping that they actually go back to some of Payton's plays.

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