I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again.

Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft?

Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck.

Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers.

Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not.

I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win.

I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime.

Right, you never claimed he was a good coach or that he was Sean Payton. The majority of Saints fans and National media are pushing the opinion that he is a total clueless idiot. I just happen to be one of them. Disappoint me once shame on you. Disappoint me twice shame on me.

I don't believe for a minute that the "majority of Saints fans" think that Dennis Allen is a clueless idiot. Perhaps a very vocal small minority. And for an absolute fact the national media hasn't given that impression at all. The vast majority of Saints fans don't care at all who's coaching or what their history may happen to be. They only hope when the season begins that the Saints will win their games. They'll be there in the stands or in front of their screens watching and having fun. The vast majority of fans leave the constant criticism to that very vocal small minority.

Allen stays, Carmichael stays, Ryan Nielsen leaves for Atlanta, no relevant firings after a dismal 7-10 regular season ...
losing to Carolina should have been the end of Dennis Allen's tenure (currently has the WORST winning % of any coach in the NFC south) as head coach of the New Orleans Saints.

And oh, we have no starting caliber QB on the roster.

Be prepared to run it back, "keep doing what you're doing" this season.

Lol, you won't have to "tank". 2023 is going to be rough folks.