Tanking 2023 Season

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2023, 11:48 AM

You never know, we could be good in 2023 but I'm not going to hold my breath.

papz · 02-22-2023, 12:11 PM

I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

SmashMouth · 02-22-2023, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft?

papz · 02-22-2023, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft?

They did tank. It certainly can work but losing on purpose is a tough pill to swallow. If Burrow turned out to be Zach Wilson, well... Lucky for them, Burrow was a seasoned, mature leader who know what it took to win. You tank and land a true franchise quarterback, no one will ever second guess the decision. You've got to be real confident in that '24 class and you've got to be damn sure you're going to land your guy.

Rugby Saint II · 02-22-2023, 12:57 PM

We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2023, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again.

Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck.

Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers.

Rugby Saint II · 02-25-2023, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck.

Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers.

Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not.

I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win.

AsylumGuido · 02-25-2023, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not.

I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win.

I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime.

Rugby Saint II · 02-26-2023, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime.

Right, you never claimed he was a good coach or that he was Sean Payton. The majority of Saints fans and National media are pushing the opinion that he is a total clueless idiot. I just happen to be one of them. Disappoint me once shame on you. Disappoint me twice shame on me.

Rugby Saint II · 02-27-2023, 11:10 AM

Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean.

02-22-2023, 11:48 AM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Tanking 2023 Season You never know, we could be good in 2023 but I'm not going to hold my breath.

02-22-2023, 12:11 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Tanking 2023 Season I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Mr.Riaton likes this.
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02-22-2023, 12:37 PM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by papz I don't have any interest in not trying to win games. That's not how you develop players, team players. That's not how you create a winning culture. Does anyone here want us to purposely lose games? I highly doubt it. With that said, we do need to be realistic about what we're capable of and plan accordingly. Just because there are folks here who want a reset, that doesn't mean they want us to not play hard and lose on purpose. Let's just not make stupid decision that will handicap us longterm thinking we are something we're not. There's a middle area that quite a lot of people sit in between the doomsday folks and the sunshine pumpers. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft?

02-22-2023, 02:13 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by SmashMouth Is that what Cincy did, I wonder, with the prospect of drafting BDJ with the first pick of the draft? They did tank. It certainly can work but losing on purpose is a tough pill to swallow. If Burrow turned out to be Zach Wilson, well... Lucky for them, Burrow was a seasoned, mature leader who know what it took to win. You tank and land a true franchise quarterback, no one will ever second guess the decision. You've got to be real confident in that '24 class and you've got to be damn sure you're going to land your guy. SmashMouth likes this.

02-22-2023, 12:57 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Tanking 2023 Season We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again.

02-22-2023, 01:08 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We don't need to tank the 2023 season with Dennis Allen as the head coach to get a good draft pick. History shows the Saints under Dennis Allen will be picking high in the draft again. Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck. Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers.

02-25-2023, 01:17 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Why even play the games, right? We are destined to suck. Come on, Rugs. You're sounding as defeatist as some of these other doom and gloomers. Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not. I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win.
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02-25-2023, 03:51 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Actually, no I am not into gloom and doom. I am a realist who sees no future with Dennis Allen running the team. He has no spark. He has no fire. Sean Payton had both, as well as a winning record. Sean Payton is a General and Dennis Allen is a lieutenant. I have no faith in Dennis Allen and it looks like most fans do not. I hope when and if the season turns sour that you began to think that you may have been an apologist for him. If he wins great and congratulations. If not, it looks like the fans may be right after all. Last year the fans were not happy with the crappy play calling. Yes, I understand we had a backup quarterback and backups across the offensive line, but still a good coach would have been able to get more out of his team. He just doesn't motivate a team efficiently. Now, Sean Payton knew how to motivate a team to win. I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime.

02-26-2023, 02:54 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I never claimed he was a Sean Payton, Rugs. Nor have I claimed he was even a good head coach. But I also don't believe he is a total clueless idiot that cannot discern between sh!t and Shinola like some over the top fans believe. I pretty positive he knows more about running an NFL team than they could learn in a lifetime. Right, you never claimed he was a good coach or that he was Sean Payton. The majority of Saints fans and National media are pushing the opinion that he is a total clueless idiot. I just happen to be one of them. Disappoint me once shame on you. Disappoint me twice shame on me.

02-27-2023, 11:10 AM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Tanking 2023 Season Sean Payton is known as the mad scientist because of his schemes. Otherwise, he would be known as The mad Igor. I don't recall Pete Carmichael ever being called a mad scientist because it was Sean Payton's Playbook. We are still running it but not effectively without Sean.