Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes?

AsylumGuido · 03-12-2023, 01:46 PM

Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

BakoSaint · 03-12-2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?".

For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win.

Rugby Saint II · 03-12-2023, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?".

For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/243801957586853888

Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw/viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"!

AsylumGuido · 03-12-2023, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"!

Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant.

However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

Rugby Saint II · 03-12-2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant.

However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

Right. The NFL has the cap to keep parity in the league. But if Gayle Benson wants to spend her money on better coaches and front office personnel it's no sweat off my back. If she wants to pay the front office like kings then great. I want to win too and it costs me nothing.

vpheughan · 03-12-2023, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!!

AsylumGuido · 03-13-2023, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!!

That player salary portion of that ticket money I fork over is of interest to me. Those are revenues that are mandated per the CBA to be paid out to my players. However, I don't care what is paid to employ coaches or front office personnel. But, yes, who mans those positions is relevant. That I have never denied.

03-12-2023, 01:46 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours.

03-12-2023, 02:27 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours. Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?". For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win. Twitter
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03-12-2023, 02:37 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by BakoSaint Roll your eyes all you want Loomis lover. The fact is that a million people had casual conversations today where they asked or were asked 'Who's your team?' and the 99.99% who are not insufferable pains in the butt did not reply "what do you mean, I don't own a team, it isn't my team, Gayle Benson or whoever it is owns them, I am just an insignificant fan." You need to get over it and recognize the concrete reality that its a common device in contemporary language that sports fans feel a sense of ownership of the team they follow and use possessive language. You can find a million examples of fans using such language if you google NFL "Who's your team?". For example, here is the NFL suggesting fans refer to it as their team. And its their team, they can talk about who their team signed and who their team paid and whether their team is making the right decisions and will win. https://twitter.com/NFL/status/243801957586853888 Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw/viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"! AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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03-12-2023, 03:17 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Apparently, semantics is more important than football. My team is the New Orleans Saints and I don't even own them. I don't own stake in my teams stock or parent company but I obviously have emotional stock invested enough to be considered a fanatic. Enough so, that I started a thread about how each fan saw viewed themselves. Most people were fans while others were die hard fanatics. Believe it or not there lot of fans who are passionate about "their teams"! Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant. However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever.

03-12-2023, 04:30 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Right there with you, Rugs. That's why I call them "my Saints" all the time. And they are "my players". And "my Saints" pay "my players" with their part of the league revenues as cap and is relevant. However, (this part isn't addressing you, Rugs) anything paid to front office or coaches matters not to me at all. That's purely between the owner and them. Their pay shouldn't and doesn't have any relevance whatsoever to fans (or fanatics) like me or whomever. Right. The NFL has the cap to keep parity in the league. But if Gayle Benson wants to spend her money on better coaches and front office personnel it's no sweat off my back. If she wants to pay the front office like kings then great. I want to win too and it costs me nothing. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

03-12-2023, 05:30 PM	#6
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,547	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Who the hell thinks WE are paying Allen and Carmichael? LOL! The last I heard that comes out of the owner's pocket, not ours. Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!! K Major likes this.
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03-13-2023, 08:06 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Is the Carr/Hill duo better than Patrick Maholmes? Originally Posted by vpheughan Buying tickets to games put's money in the owners pockets. Granted just walking around money but technically all of those people in the stands constitute "WE" You as the "OWNER", YOUR SAINTS AS YOU ARE SO FOND OF STATING should know that!! That player salary portion of that ticket money I fork over is of interest to me. Those are revenues that are mandated per the CBA to be paid out to my players. However, I don't care what is paid to employ coaches or front office personnel. But, yes, who mans those positions is relevant. That I have never denied.