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Seems like this would gut your team all to serve 2 purposes:

1) Fire Loomis and Hartley

2) Clear up a cap problem that may not exist

Your plan leaves too many questions. Who is new GM? Coach? QB? etc. What you propose requires rebuilding the entire team. We aren’t that poor a franchise. When we finish with a top 3 pick is when you think about a rebuild.

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Bako you will be less than happy for the foreseeable future because "The Saints Front Office and The Saints Process" will more than likely not change anytime soon.

If your dream team organizational process is really as you described in your post. Then maybe one of the current NFL teams involved in a front office, coaching staff and roster change, Houston, Tampa Bay and Atlanta are a better match to your beliefs.

Best part is we should be able to see what's what by January 2024.

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When it comes to Bako I believe you nailed with those two takes, Boston.

He believes there is a cap problem because it appears he cannot fathom the dynamics involved. And firing those responsible is the only way to make the incomprehensible fear go away. The fallacy here is that whenever Loomis and Harley ever do move on those that succeed them are likely to continue with the very same logical methodology and his illogical nightmare will continue.

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i’m sure not going to say I agree with all the moves Loomis Has made throughout his tenure. But going into “rebuild mode “is a bit drastic. So many teams like the Jets, the Browns, the Bears, etc have had multiple early picks to get their franchise QB and “rebuild” and have failed. It’s just not that easy. When you have a franchise like Pittsburg or Green Bay or New Orleans, you try to put your best team on the field. The Rams and Tampa both did that, caught lighting in a bottle (ref help) and won Championships.

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Who is the new GM?: A monkey, ChatGPT, let Cesar Ruiz be the GM since he learned to play Guard in a year?? I don't care. I am sure there are many qualified front office #2 guys around the league who would be better. Loomis is the worst GM in the league. He has no qualifications and coasted to the position on the backs of Payton who was hired by Benson and Brees who was hired by Payton. He is just a guy who got lucky once and can't rebuild.

Coach?: Someone with a record above .400 on their previous resume.

QB?: A draft pick who won't cost more than Maholmes in 2025 and hasn't already proven his mediocrity. Take the Tom Brady approach and try a mid round pick, not the Drew Bledsoe approach hoping a 9 year old dog will learn new tricks.

Most teams go through rebuilds. KC went through a mini-rebuild last year trading a star WR for picks and lettings some vets go. The Rams went through a rebuild prior to their 2018-2022 run, thats how they had the money to add guys like Ramsey and Miller. Now that same Rams GM is going through a rebuild again. The Bucs also went through a rebuild, had amongst the most salary cap in the league when they added Brady and went on a spending spree and got a ring because they had the room under the cap to do it, now they got a ring and are rebuilding again. Boston and Guido need to turn on a TV and start following the NFL. 9-8, 7-10, you can get that without a rebuild. But to fire on all cylinders sometimes you need to take a year off to reload.

We will never finish with a top 3 pick, the teams we trade our picks to will get the top 3 pick. We will get some raw small college prospect with a great youtube reel who we traded up to 15th to grab who gets hurt in camp, and the team we trade our 1st rounder to so we can do that will get a top 3 pick.

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Don't tell me what I can and cannot fathom you insufferable glob of human trash. Just like your mother could fathom selling herself for a $20 bill I can fathom exactly the dynamics involved in the modern salary cap. Any team can always lived on borrowed money to dig out of debt for other borrowed money and field a .500-ish team. But living on borrowed money required contracts structured in a way where all your big gambles are 'un-cut-able' which leads to zombie cap spend on schlubs like Michael Thomas and Andrus Peat who don't contribute but you can't afford to move on. Whey you are so leveraged you depend on restructuring every big contract to get under the cap, which makes all the dead cap hits if you cut them giant, you can't even afford to pay your stars what the contract said each year, so paying more than that to get out of the contracts long term is impossible, so you become the team that would see Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Ezekiel Elliot, etc through, not just to the end of their disaster contracts that other teams cut, but that would actually extend them to stay longer to soften the cap hits. You just can't win that way long term.

Also, spending the 2023 cap in 2022 and spending the 2024 cap in 2023 may put you on a level playing field with other teams, maybe even give you 10% more to spend (though like I said, you will be spending a lot of it on bad decisions you can't escape like Peat and Thomas, so really its a bad deal), but level playing field gets you .500 not a ring. A team that spent their 2022 salary cap to fund 2022 has an option we don't have. If they think 2023 is their year, they can spend the 2023 cap and the 2024 cap in 2023. They can convert from their way to our way, and in that leap year or two, they can spend more than you could normally spend in either way. They can make a run, win the race for a ring, and then walk it off and rebuild. By always being leveraged to the max, we can't make a run by going into leverage when the window is there and making a lot of additions all at once around a young core. Thats how most rings are won these days, and you missed it idolizing looming and spanking your monkey about a 13yo ring.

What you don't seem to get, when you see other teams 'imitating our brilliant strategy' is that they are not doing it long term, they are trying to time a window. They are young and have cap room so they max out and they leverage up and they try to time the window. Often they can get a ring. When the leverage is too much, and the see a decline like going from 12-4 to 9-8 to 7-10, they rebuild and cut their bad contracts and aging players and stockpile some draft picks. Then they do it all again. But Mickey Loomis can't fathom this any more than he can fathom why other people don't start drinking at breakfast.

A good example of logical thinking is this piece on the Rams. They are doing exactly what I explain.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-to-pull-back/

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I removed you from my ignore list just to read this crap? I've been following the NFL longer than you have been alive. I watched my Saints go through 35 years of annual rebuilds before the current front office took residence. In those 21 years the Saints have had ONE season with fewer than 7 wins. In case you forgot, that was during the Katrina year of hell.

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You should ignore me. I am part of reality, which you are ignoring already. Being old does not make you smart. Al Davis was old. Mickey Loomis was old.

The only reason the Saints won 7 games last year was incredible luck. They happened to play in a historically inept division. Their 7th win came against a team playing a lousy backup QB who would have killed them with their starter. They lost to every QB who one could imagine as a super bowl contender and only beat the bad QBs who were unproven rookies, journeyman, injured, backups, or on the way to being benched.

Brees and Payton were why we won. Loomis had nothing to do with it. All Loomis did was bankrupt our cap which is why Payton left even for a bad job others turned down.

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Lovely. You are very disturbed, son. :rolleyes: It's hard to respect the opinion of someone who calls your mother a cheap whore. Grow up.

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I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.