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Rugby Saint II 03-27-2023 01:42 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 972005)
I didn't ask you to respect me. I called your mother a cheap whore because you already don't respect me. When you say someone can't fathom something, you are saying they are stupid, but you are doing so in the round about way of a coward. I don't like that. If you are going to call me stupid call call me stupid, don't dance around it in your pink leotard. So you called me stupid, and I called you stupid and called your mother a whore. I won't let you insult me and pretend you are not insulting me. All I did was make it real. You actually should respect that.
BAA HAA HAA!!!!! :roflmao: If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining! :roflmao:

AsylumGuido 03-27-2023 02:26 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 972063)
BAA HAA HAA!!!!! :roflmao: If he talked about my mother I'd have a curse put on him. Guido, I've got a friend, Zulu priestess, who cleared the bad mojo back in 2006. Need the number for a good curse? PM me.

I'm not blocking Bako because this is way too entertaining! :roflmao:
The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.

BakoSaint 03-29-2023 11:21 AM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 972067)
The guy is already cursed, Rugs. He has to look at himself in the mirror every day. I'm back to ignoring him again, however, since I have still never read a single post of his that was even vaguely constructive or informative.
Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.

rezburna 03-29-2023 11:37 AM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 972037)
Fine but saying I cannot 'fathom' something is also a belittlement and a disparagement. Its just a lamer one.

My objections to Mickey Loomis' cap strategy have been laid out a million times. It causes us to lose quality young and prime players like Williams, Ellis, Hendrickson, Armstead, etc, forces us to keep players with chronic injury and off the field issues like Thomas, Peat, Maye, etc, losing prime free agents, shopping the bargain bin for aging replacements, and never being able to move on from players who are not available and are a bad fit. But AG ignores these objections. All he can see with his rose colored glasses are that we got under the cap so haha Nick Wright is a loser. He does not address my core objections except to say Peat is amazing contributor who is perfect for our system and can't be replaced and we had no use for Williams and Hendrickson.

Do I hate. Yes! I hate losing. What did we do last year? Lose! Exactly the number of losses I predicted. What will we do the next two year minimum because of Loomis' refusal to rebuild? Keep losing. So yeah, I hate that.

Look at the Panthers. Everything they have the past year, we could have done. Now they have the #1 overall pick in the 2023 draft and after that rookie's development year, they have $106 million more in 2024 cap space than we do. Sorry if I am so crazy to say I hate thats them not us. They didn't have to go 0-17. They had the same record as us in 2022 but they didn't trade their 1st round pick and they didn't go all in on signing aging veterans. What is insane to me is thinking our GM is doing a better job because we have a slightly better chance to get to lose a wildcard game this year maybe, while the Panthers went through a rebuild with the same record as our 'all-in' strategy and emerged with the #1 overall pick in a good QB draft and tons of available cap space in 2024.
All teams lose quality, prime players…especially when they accumulate them all at the same time. It’s impossible to keep a stacked roster in the NFL. We just watched the Eagles lose several core pieces this offseason. It just comes with the territory. As far as Hendrickson, he could barely stay on the field his first three years here. He had a big fourth year and then he left. We have to realize that we’re going to have holes. Every team does. We just have to be elite at our strengths, stay healthy, and have a bit of luck.

Boston Saint 03-29-2023 02:04 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 972178)
Gosh I guess if I want to make constructive informative posts I should just post '20-0 Baby! 20-0 Baby!' over and over since its so constructive and informative to be on Mickey Loomis' jock 24/7. Fact is most of my posts are 1000x more constructive and informative than yours because they are not pure cheerleading. I am fine looking myself in the mirror because I am typically wearing a shirt and jeans. Looks a lot better than you in a Saintsations outfit.
You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.

AsylumGuido 03-29-2023 04:30 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 972192)
You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
Give up, Boston. His hatred is so deep-rooted that he can't recognize how far he is off the deep-end.

BakoSaint 03-29-2023 06:02 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 972192)
You actually said Loomis is the worst GM in the league Bako. If you can’t see that you are on the complete opposite side of the spectrum from AG then you have vision problems. While he sees everything rosy, you see nothing but negatives when it comes to Loomis. No one expects you to ride his jock. Objectivity would be nice though.
I do see I am on opposite sides of spectrum of AG. Its not an infinite surprise that two people on opposite sides of the spectrum may talk a little smack now and then. I just don't like him getting up on a high horse in that cheerleader uniform of his and acting like he is the ultimate voice of reason. Unbridled optimism is not reason. It's an opinion, but not one where he should be saying everyone who disagrees with him is uninformed and not constructive just because they disagree.

Anyway, we all have our own perspectives but I think there are objective arguments to be made that Loomis is the worst GM. Specifically I would make my arguments in terms of the present state of the team. We ran off a HOF coach. We went out of our way to hand pick a replacement who came in with a sub-.250 winning percentage. We spent arguably the most resources of any team in 2022: spending all our 2022 cap, allocating the most most above the 2023 cap of any team, and trading our 1st round draft pick. What all those resources got us was 7-10 in the worst division in the NFL despite surprisingly good QB play from our backup QB compared to other teams, when we went into the season knowing our starting QB was coming off an injury and had a historically inconsistent career. So, did we win 4 more games than the Chicago Bears? Sure. But in a weaker division, and to do it we had to trade our 1st round and max out our cap. So I would say that in terms of the position he has put our team in now Loomis, is the worst GM in the league. I think that's as objective an argument as any.

Some people don't think the cap matters. They think its a thing of the past and Loomis is the wave of the future. But I am not crazy to disagree. Two of the last 3 Super Bowl winners are actively rebuilding this offseason to get more cap room: the Rams and Bucs. Its fairly clear if you look at their moves. So other GMs with much more recent success than Loomis agree.

Oh, and he tried very hard to get Deshaun Watson 12 months ago, which I think most people agree would have been a disaster. I think a lot of people would say that finishing top-3 in the Watson sweepstakes puts a GM in the bottom-tier conversation.

I am not saying Loomis over his career is the worst GM. I am saying Loomis now. Because he has put our team in a horrible position, and because he has no plan to rebuild only to hope for 9-8 if there are no injuries at all. Al Davis was perhaps the best GM in league history his first 15-20 years on the job. And he was perhaps the worst GM in league history the last 15-20 years. Skill declines. My view is that Loomis has declined. Feel free to have your own, or to do hand stands on a pony with AG.

subguy 03-29-2023 07:36 PM
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At the end of all of this we are all just experts of our own opinion, nothing more nothing less. The same as any talking head.

Many times I don't agree with individuals here or think they may be filling some whacked out narrative in their own mind, but it is what it is, its the internet. If anyone is here seeking or needs validation from a complete stranger so be it. There are plenty of barbs hurled in all directions.

Regardless of the toxicity, and I am sure many here feel the same about me(toxic), I wish us the best as a team. I am a Saints fan and hit all of the Saints threads I can find.

Just because someone has an opinion and expresses it differently than we feel they should, big deal get over it. I have learned to ignore and when I don't feel like ignoring on my own I click the nifty ignore button.

Rugby Saint II 03-30-2023 03:04 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 972204)
I do see I am on opposite sides of spectrum of AG. Its not an infinite surprise that two people on opposite sides of the spectrum may talk a little smack now and then. I just don't like him getting up on a high horse in that cheerleader uniform of his and acting like he is the ultimate voice of reason. Unbridled optimism is not reason. It's an opinion, but not one where he should be saying everyone who disagrees with him is uninformed and not constructive just because they disagree.

Anyway, we all have our own perspectives but I think there are objective arguments to be made that Loomis is the worst GM. Specifically I would make my arguments in terms of the present state of the team. We ran off a HOF coach. We went out of our way to hand pick a replacement who came in with a sub-.250 winning percentage. We spent arguably the most resources of any team in 2022: spending all our 2022 cap, allocating the most most above the 2023 cap of any team, and trading our 1st round draft pick. What all those resources got us was 7-10 in the worst division in the NFL despite surprisingly good QB play from our backup QB compared to other teams, when we went into the season knowing our starting QB was coming off an injury and had a historically inconsistent career. So, did we win 4 more games than the Chicago Bears? Sure. But in a weaker division, and to do it we had to trade our 1st round and max out our cap. So I would say that in terms of the position he has put our team in now Loomis, is the worst GM in the league. I think that's as objective an argument as any.

Some people don't think the cap matters. They think its a thing of the past and Loomis is the wave of the future. But I am not crazy to disagree. Two of the last 3 Super Bowl winners are actively rebuilding this offseason to get more cap room: the Rams and Bucs. Its fairly clear if you look at their moves. So other GMs with much more recent success than Loomis agree.

Oh, and he tried very hard to get Deshaun Watson 12 months ago, which I think most people agree would have been a disaster. I think a lot of people would say that finishing top-3 in the Watson sweepstakes puts a GM in the bottom-tier conversation.

I am not saying Loomis over his career is the worst GM. I am saying Loomis now. Because he has put our team in a horrible position, and because he has no plan to rebuild only to hope for 9-8 if there are no injuries at all. Al Davis was perhaps the best GM in league history his first 15-20 years on the job. And he was perhaps the worst GM in league history the last 15-20 years. Skill declines. My view is that Loomis has declined. Feel free to have your own, or to do hand stands on a pony with AG.
You make some good points Bako. We don't always agree but it's always good to try to see the other person's point of view for open discussion. Maybe, just maybe, we win enough games to make everybody happy. Who Dat! :bng:

Rugby Saint II 04-02-2023 02:29 PM
Re: Saints Likely To Trade 2024 1st Round Pick
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 972182)
All teams lose quality, prime players…especially when they accumulate them all at the same time. It’s impossible to keep a stacked roster in the NFL. We just watched the Eagles lose several core pieces this offseason. It just comes with the territory. As far as Hendrickson, he could barely stay on the field his first three years here. He had a big fourth year and then he left. We have to realize that we’re going to have holes. Every team does. We just have to be elite at our strengths, stay healthy, and have a bit of luck.
Words of wisdom right there Rez. :clap:


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