Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023

WW_Who_Dat · 03-31-2023, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them.

We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is.

If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid.

Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health.

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2023, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

^^^^
Ditto this!

Glad I'm not the only one that saw it all this way, WW. I'm also wondering how many times Dalton checked out of the pass on second and long. I remember seeing a stat late in the season that we had run the ball on second and long more times than any other team in the league. If anything, based upon his prior experience, Carmichael was actually too aggressive at times. That really makes me think Dalton was a major factor in that one way or another.

TheOak · 04-01-2023, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC.

I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years.

If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed.

DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted.

Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him.

I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have.

Rugby Saint II · 04-01-2023, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted.

Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him.

I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have.

Everything you said is highly accurate and I agree that last seasons losses were on DA's poor choices and bad decisions. It's worth mentioning the devastating injuries across the team. But the front office seems to be making better decisions now and have filled in some nice depth pieces. So far the offseason moves have looked impressive...unless you're a national analyst(anal cyst). Almost all Saints fans are enthusiastic again after all the savvy offseason moves made by the Saints front office.

I'm hoping for two things. One: DA learned his lesson about not being aggressive at critical times and hopefully Carmichael gets back the" eye of the tiger" like when he called plays when Payton was out. Even if that mean drafting LSU players. LOL

Two: Learn from from past mistakes and use the fresh insight from the new coaches after a hard reevaluation and long look in the mirror. No more runs between the tackle on 2nd down. Keep your play makers and the field and utilize them.

Last year we didn't have an alpha coach like Payton, and the team was in shambles without a strong willed, OCD, aggressive, dominant alpha male coach. Most of our coaches were lieutenants that needed a spark to energize the team. We need an alpha coach to step up and set the tone like Sean Payton did. It took mild mannered AK getting vocal to fire the team up and start winning some games. Cam and DeMario are leaders not coaches. It should not be players who have to motivate their team.

We missed out on a deep playoff run last year because we fielded a MASH unit and the year before that too. Guido is good to point out that the NFL is a contact sport and injuries happen to every team. However, it feels like our Saints team is snake bit year after year. Recently, we had record setting injuries and also had more players starting in a single season than previously. Anybody know a good snake wrangler?

03-31-2023, 08:53 AM	#1
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by TheOak Upgraded chess pieces, same checker players moving them. We have not addressed play calling in any way and it is going to take Carr time to gel with the players and what ever playbook there is. If our record improves over 2022 it’s because other teams slid. Toss up between 9-8 and 8-9 which will be decided by player health. Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-31-2023, 09:31 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,572	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. ^^^^ Ditto this! Glad I'm not the only one that saw it all this way, WW. I'm also wondering how many times Dalton checked out of the pass on second and long. I remember seeing a stat late in the season that we had run the ball on second and long more times than any other team in the league. If anything, based upon his prior experience, Carmichael was actually too aggressive at times. That really makes me think Dalton was a major factor in that one way or another.

04-01-2023, 01:14 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Between losing MT early, not having a QB who could stretch the field once JW was injured and a make shift offensive line week to week. Not sure DA and PC had the ability to game plan using the whole playbook. The defense had 8,9 personnel living in the box because they knew the ball wasn’t going past 10 yards downfield except with YAC. I feel like the Saints have addressed last seasons play calling issue by signing the players that speak directly to what made the play calling look so pedestrian last season. DA and PC were driving an overweight Yugo in morning traffic on the 5 or 405, my daily commute for years. If the offense stays healthy this season and STILL does not improve significantly then it will be clear and I would that something, someone or multiple someone’s needs to change or be changed. DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted. Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him. I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have. SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

04-01-2023, 04:29 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Predict the Saints' Record Year 2023 Originally Posted by TheOak DA had what DA put on the team and field. If his seasons game plan required MT then that’s on him, there is reason to have a back up plan. If his QBs couldn’t stretch the field then that’s what he decided that he wanted. Dennis Allen tried to execute Sean Payton’s game plan and that’s on him. I get that you are taking the wait and see approach but brother when you lose your QB and HC it’s time for change that adapts your game to who you have. Everything you said is highly accurate and I agree that last seasons losses were on DA's poor choices and bad decisions. It's worth mentioning the devastating injuries across the team. But the front office seems to be making better decisions now and have filled in some nice depth pieces. So far the offseason moves have looked impressive...unless you're a national analyst(anal cyst). Almost all Saints fans are enthusiastic again after all the savvy offseason moves made by the Saints front office. I'm hoping for two things. One: DA learned his lesson about not being aggressive at critical times and hopefully Carmichael gets back the" eye of the tiger" like when he called plays when Payton was out. Even if that mean drafting LSU players. LOL Two: Learn from from past mistakes and use the fresh insight from the new coaches after a hard reevaluation and long look in the mirror. No more runs between the tackle on 2nd down. Keep your play makers and the field and utilize them. Last year we didn't have an alpha coach like Payton, and the team was in shambles without a strong willed, OCD, aggressive, dominant alpha male coach. Most of our coaches were lieutenants that needed a spark to energize the team. We need an alpha coach to step up and set the tone like Sean Payton did. It took mild mannered AK getting vocal to fire the team up and start winning some games. Cam and DeMario are leaders not coaches. It should not be players who have to motivate their team. We missed out on a deep playoff run last year because we fielded a MASH unit and the year before that too. Guido is good to point out that the NFL is a contact sport and injuries happen to every team. However, it feels like our Saints team is snake bit year after year. Recently, we had record setting injuries and also had more players starting in a single season than previously. Anybody know a good snake wrangler?
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