Derek Carr is going to shock the world

The Dude · 04-08-2023, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

Drew Brees 2.0? I hope you're right. I'm having a hard time believing that. Especially since our oc hasn't proven he can bring out the best in the offense.

He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime

K Major · 04-08-2023, 01:13 PM

Drew 2.0?

Lol, I respect DCarr's game but come on man. Win a playoff game or two first.

AsylumGuido · 04-08-2023, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime

Agreed.

The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round.

Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven.

Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come.

hitta · 04-09-2023, 02:41 PM

When I said he was Brees 2.0, I didn't mean he was going to be Brees 2.0. I meant the acquisition was like Brees 2.0. I still think he's going to surprise people and could end up being one of the top QBs in the league. I should have been clear about what I meant. I mean even as QBs their style is very different.

Rugby Saint II · 04-10-2023, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed.

The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round.

Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven.

Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come.

100% this! Carr can lead a good team to victory. We have the parts to be a good team again. The poor fella never had a chance with the Raiders. Al Davis and his son, Mark the bowl cut Davis, have made the Raiders perennial losers. Carr never stood a chance. He's got a good chance in New Orleans now and Loomis is stock piling weapons to make him successful. Let's see what he does with a good defense to help him out.

K Major · 06-01-2023, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy

.

No excuses.

rezburna · 06-01-2023, 11:15 AM

We're the underdog this year. We're being picked to win the division by default. Everybody thinks we'll be garbage. That's when we're at our best: flying under the radar.

Boston Saint · 06-01-2023, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy .

No excuses.

I agree major, but it’s nice when you can run the ball on early downs as well. Being able to line up and put yourself in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 is a big advantage. Penning has a rep as a mauler. I’d love to see a scheme that sets up play-action running behind him.

AsylumGuido · 06-01-2023, 11:39 AM

I've brought this up before, but how many times did Dalton check out of a pass call into a run? Dalton became so conservative as the year progressed. The Saints have generally had a pass/run option on early downs based upon the QB's read of the defense. Defenses knew they didn't have much to fear from the Saints decimated offensive line last season in the run game. Even when a pass play was run Dalton would check down instead of taking the more aggressive shot downfield. Brees was always more likely to flip from a run primary to a pass option solely on his degree of self-confidence. Hopefully we see more of this out of Carr.

Boston Saint · 06-01-2023, 11:45 AM

So hitta says Carr will shock the world huh?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PrF_LK...9ja2luZw%3D%3D

04-08-2023, 12:56 PM	#41
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by NOLA54 Drew Brees 2.0? I hope you're right. I'm having a hard time believing that. Especially since our oc hasn't proven he can bring out the best in the offense. He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime leilung and AsylumGuido like this.
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04-08-2023, 01:13 PM	#42
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,066 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Drew 2.0? Lol, I respect DCarr's game but come on man. Win a playoff game or two first. leilung and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-08-2023, 01:29 PM	#43
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by The Dude He will be good but Brees was elite, once in a lifetime Qb. If Carr has a good team around him we can find success but he’s not the kind of QB that can elevate our team if we have the worst defense in history. Brees was on another level and every time he touched the ball there was always a probability we could score. Brees didn’t need elite talent around him, just a good offensive line. Doubt we get another producer like Brees in our lifetime Agreed. The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round. Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven. Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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04-09-2023, 02:41 PM	#44
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,301	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world When I said he was Brees 2.0, I didn't mean he was going to be Brees 2.0. I meant the acquisition was like Brees 2.0. I still think he's going to surprise people and could end up being one of the top QBs in the league. I should have been clear about what I meant. I mean even as QBs their style is very different. AsylumGuido likes this.
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04-10-2023, 11:56 AM	#45
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed. The one time that Carr actually had a decent team around him with the Raiders was in 2016. He had the team at 12-3 and suffered a broken leg in game 15. Connor Cook and Matt McGloin took over at QB and they lost in the first round. Carr's only chance in a playoff game was in 2021 with the 30th ranked defense facing Joe Burrow in the Wild Card game. They lost by seven. Our defense is far superior than anything Carr had during his entire career with the Raiders. He's definitely not a Brees v2.0, but he gives us a far better shot than any other option we may have for years to come. 100% this! Carr can lead a good team to victory. We have the parts to be a good team again. The poor fella never had a chance with the Raiders. Al Davis and his son, Mark the bowl cut Davis, have made the Raiders perennial losers. Carr never stood a chance. He's got a good chance in New Orleans now and Loomis is stock piling weapons to make him successful. Let's see what he does with a good defense to help him out.

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06-01-2023, 10:57 AM	#46
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,066 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs. Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season. Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable. Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc. With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy . No excuses. Boston Saint likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world We're the underdog this year. We're being picked to win the division by default. Everybody thinks we'll be garbage. That's when we're at our best: flying under the radar. K Major likes this.

06-01-2023, 11:15 AM	#48
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by K Major Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs. Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season. Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable. Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc. With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy . No excuses. I agree major, but it’s nice when you can run the ball on early downs as well. Being able to line up and put yourself in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 is a big advantage. Penning has a rep as a mauler. I’d love to see a scheme that sets up play-action running behind him. K Major likes this.

06-01-2023, 11:39 AM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world I've brought this up before, but how many times did Dalton check out of a pass call into a run? Dalton became so conservative as the year progressed. The Saints have generally had a pass/run option on early downs based upon the QB's read of the defense. Defenses knew they didn't have much to fear from the Saints decimated offensive line last season in the run game. Even when a pass play was run Dalton would check down instead of taking the more aggressive shot downfield. Brees was always more likely to flip from a run primary to a pass option solely on his degree of self-confidence. Hopefully we see more of this out of Carr.
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06-01-2023, 11:45 AM	#50
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world So hitta says Carr will shock the world huh? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PrF_LK...9ja2luZw%3D%3D K Major likes this.