Derek Carr is going to shock the world

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-06-2023, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people.

All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 04-06-2023, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row.

SFIAH

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2023, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

Rugby Saint II · 04-07-2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system.

The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better.

The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days.

The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds?

saintsfan1976 · 04-07-2023, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available...

AsylumGuido · 04-07-2023, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available...

Singing my song there.

Rugby Saint II · 04-08-2023, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available...

Do you really want to build your roster out of a few high draft picks and UDFA's? It has made us perennial winners but we struggle in the playoffs without better depth. Give me more picks in the middle of the draft and watch Jeff Ireland do his thing. Incidentally, we seem to struggle more with first round draft picks than our second-round picks, which Ireland has been nailing in the draft since he came here.

K Major · 06-01-2023, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run.

Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy

.

No excuses.

Boston Saint · 06-01-2023, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs.

Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season.

Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable.

Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc.

With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy .

No excuses.

I agree major, but it’s nice when you can run the ball on early downs as well. Being able to line up and put yourself in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 is a big advantage. Penning has a rep as a mauler. I’d love to see a scheme that sets up play-action running behind him.

Boston Saint · 04-06-2023, 10:56 AM

Not to nitpick, but The line Shaheed used was ““I was kind of antsy to find out who was going to be our quarterback,”.

That seems a normal emotion to me. I read that as not so much he was dissatisfied with last year, but excited to see what/who they would have this year.

04-06-2023, 11:46 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,785	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Last year was a huge disappointment for Saint fans. This year watch us sneak up on the NFL. We've got better weapons than in recent years and we are going to shock a whole lot of people. All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row. SFIAH jnormand, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

04-06-2023, 12:13 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL All this under the assumption that injuries are not going to be insane for the upteenth year in a row. SFIAH Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. jnormand, saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.

04-06-2023, 01:18 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth.

04-07-2023, 01:58 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Depth can be and commonly is achieved via free agency ... both veteran and undrafted. I seriously doubt trading a couple of mid to late round picks is going to hamper depth. You can have 20 picks in the draft and it still wouldn't guarantee quality depth. I beg to differ. Veteran mid-level free agents are cheap, but they aren't usually dynamic. Sure, you need an influx of free agents like DeMario Davis to round out the roster. With the limited salary cap available because of our cap management, I would rather get younger and cheaper players with higher ceilings who were drafted to fit the system. The Saints have had good drafts because they trade up for players who they covet and give away valuable first, second, third, and fourth round draft picks to move up for them. Jeff Ireland is good at drafting both starters and role players and needs more ammo to work with in the mid rounds where the odds are better. The flip side is that they team doesn't have the players to develop in each draft except for premier talent and UDFA's. The result is fewer 2nd day picks to fill out the roster and very little depth. The FO wants to fill out the rosters with other teams' cuts and cast offs that might fit the system rather than being able to select players from their board on draft days. The third and fourth round are extremely important and the ability to find starters in each round is where Jeff Ireland prospers and yet we give those picks away every year. I'm fine with trading away late round picks to move up to the mid rounds for players that are still available. It's the same draft strategy the Loomis has always followed. So, why give away those draft picks moving up when we draft so well in the mid rounds? AsylumGuido likes this.
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04-07-2023, 04:50 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available... AsylumGuido likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available... Singing my song there.

04-08-2023, 10:41 AM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Don't forget about UDFA and the last wave of free agency. Still many household names available... Do you really want to build your roster out of a few high draft picks and UDFA's? It has made us perennial winners but we struggle in the playoffs without better depth. Give me more picks in the middle of the draft and watch Jeff Ireland do his thing. Incidentally, we seem to struggle more with first round draft picks than our second-round picks, which Ireland has been nailing in the draft since he came here. saintsfan1976, K Major and BakoSaint like this.

06-01-2023, 10:57 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Which is why I'm against trading away draft picks for a player we covet. We can field a good team of starters, but we lack solid depth to make a playoff run. Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs. Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season. Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable. Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc. With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy . No excuses. Boston Saint likes this.

06-01-2023, 11:15 AM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by K Major Solid depth is critical. I'm hopeful this 2023 roster is full of junkyard dawgs. Injuries or not, Pete Carmichael needs to get it together. He didn't utilize Shaheed, Taysom, or Kamara in critical situations last season. Calling runs on 1st & 2nd down was damn near predictable. Fast forward to now, you have better offensive weapons/RBs (including the most important piece - QB), fresh draft picks at positions of need, Winston who can assist DCarr in the terminology & valuable input by Gruden, etc. With this roster, relatively healthy or not & they don't make the playoffs ... oh boy . No excuses. I agree major, but it’s nice when you can run the ball on early downs as well. Being able to line up and put yourself in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 is a big advantage. Penning has a rep as a mauler. I’d love to see a scheme that sets up play-action running behind him. K Major likes this.

04-06-2023, 10:56 AM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Not to nitpick, but The line Shaheed used was ““I was kind of antsy to find out who was going to be our quarterback,”. That seems a normal emotion to me. I read that as not so much he was dissatisfied with last year, but excited to see what/who they would have this year. Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.