Jamarcus Russell was going through a lot of personal issues when he got to the NFL, and he was self-medicating on codeine which makes you put on weight. The Raiders organization definitely played a part in his downward spiral. He also had Lane Kiffin as his coach, definitely not NFL material. WR's? An old Joey Porter, Ronald Curry, Tim Dwight, and Johnnie Lee Higgins. Running Backs? Lamont Jordan and Justin Fargas. That was a bad Raiders teams that sent of Randy Moss the year he got there. The fact he never got an opportunity to be a backup anywhere else was odd to me as well. All I'm saying is the Raiders organization is tragic.

It’s rare when Oakland HASN’T been tragic. That’s why I don’t necessarily hold DA or Carr’s performance with the Raiders against them.

One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically.

All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees.

The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception.

The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl.

Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse.

One could argue that the Saints / Saints QBs have been more of a train wreck at the QB position than the Raiders historically.

All the Saints success with quarterbacks was with Drew Brees. Archie Manning wasted away on hopeless teams. Bobby Hebert and his lacklucker offensive cast held back an elite defense and never won a playoff game. Aaron Brooks flashed stats immediately but along with his useless head coach, never developed further. The entire Saints history is a train wreck at QB outside of Drew Brees.

The Raiders won 3 Superbowls with two Quarterbacks, Ken Stabler and Jim Plunket, and had a third quarterback who won a conference championship and NFL MVP, Rich Gannon. In general, quarterbacks have found more success with the Raiders than with the Saints, allowing for only one exception.

The same could be said for head coaches. One Saints head coach has won a playoff game past the wild card level. Two Raiders head coaches have won a total of three Super Bowls and a third has appeared in a Super Bowl.

Maybe Derek Carr will be better than ever. Maybe Dennis Allen will last. But I don't think it will be because the Raiders are some special NFL twilight zone. Outside the Payton/Brees era, the Saints are worse.

Pretty much all of the Raiders success happened 40 years ago. Their glory days and our failures are in the past. I was born in 1990. The Saints have been winning most of my life.

My nephew turns 40 this summer. He lived 25 years growing up 20 miles from the Colosseum and has been a Raiders fan all his life. He certainly would say the Saints have been (and are) a superior run franchise. Davis is not highly regarded among fans.