Derek Carr is going to shock the world

hitta · 04-02-2023, 03:50 PM

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

I agree with all of that.

WW_Who_Dat · 04-02-2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0.

I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less.

That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less.

That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground.

It really depends upon the ones you happen to hear. I've heard several that have been touting him as greatly underrated and a perfect fit for the Saints. Most of them have been ex-QB's. Drew Brees can be counted as among them. Perhaps the most important among them.

neugey · 04-02-2023, 05:31 PM

Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right.

AsylumGuido · 04-02-2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right.

I believe giving Carmichael both Thomas and Carr will do wonders with getting his act together.

BakoSaint · 04-02-2023, 05:59 PM

This requires Dennis Allen or Pete Carmichael to be a sharper offensive mind than Jon Gruden. I am skeptical of that. Cities don't throw footballs or design plays, QBs and coaches do.

The Raiders once signed a mid-career QB who had shown promise with the Saints, under the premise that the Saints were a death sentence for QBs, and up until a rocky final year, this young Saints QB had always performed so all he needed was a change in scenery to shine. The Raiders had a recent history of strong QB production, but their Super Bowl QB had retired and their offensive guru coach had moved on to another conference. Yet, the Raiders felt sure that even with a less proven coach, they could take a QB who had been good, if inconsistent, with the Saints and make him a star in Oakland given their franchises better track record at the QB position. They felt that merely the luster of their city, and the jokes about the franchise this QB had come from, would be enough to turn a QB around who had begun to show signs of fading. That QB was Aaron Brooks. It turned out that the Saints being a death sentence of QBs was not Brooks only problem, and whatever truth their might have been to the sentence, it had already been carried out and the product was DOA.

MatthewT · 04-03-2023, 07:23 AM

My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

hitta · 06-02-2023, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

I honestly think he just lost his focus with the Raiders and needs somewhere else to restart fresh. Trust me, he's still got it. Even though he had a drop in 2022, I still saw IT. When it comes to QBs, the thing to watch for is how they position their body and move around that pocket while maintaining good awareness of the field. Throwing off your back foot causes more horrible interceptions than anything and is a complete breakdown of footwork and timing. Your best guys have such good awareness that they get to the right spots which allows them to get so far down their read trajectory. I've seen guys with clean pockets in the NFL throw off their back foot because they just sniff a little pressure. You can't blink as a QB. You have to manipulate the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is nothing more multifaceted than QB play and is a very hard thing to predict, but I definitely see something rare in him. He has the potential to do everything the greats could do, he just has to actualize it.

Man, I wish Payton would have gotten a shot with him. Payton will probably lead the Broncos to like a 9-8 or 8-9 record or something, which would be pretty amazing. As is though, that team cannot compete. Russel Wilson as the QB makes that impossible, I have no idea why he went there. Perhaps he likes making the best out of tough situations.

SmashMouth · 04-03-2023, 07:50 AM

Just curious if the Raiders were a death sentence to Jamarcus Russell too ?!?

04-02-2023, 03:50 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Derek Carr is going to shock the world I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.
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04-02-2023, 05:16 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by hitta I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. I agree with all of that.

04-02-2023, 05:27 PM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,275 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by hitta I've seen many people talk about how this guy isn't top-level talent. I don't think people realize what a death sentence the raiders are for QBs. Yet, somehow, this guy still performed. When I watch this guy, he checks all the boxes for me. I think he's a lot better than people think he is and will be one of the top QBs in the league this year. He's Drew Brees 2.0. I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less. That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-02-2023, 06:48 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat I feel exactly the same hitta. Now Saints need to get the Oline squared away, our weapons need to be available and the defense doing what the do best hold our opponents to 24 points or less. That said and it comes to pass there we’ll be a lot of recalibration by Talking Heads but I’m sure they will explain to all of us how they were calling his resurgence as a top tier NFL QB all along we just missed it. 🤣 These guys like to go straight to pinnacle top opinions, great or not worthy no middle ground. It really depends upon the ones you happen to hear. I've heard several that have been touting him as greatly underrated and a perfect fit for the Saints. Most of them have been ex-QB's. Drew Brees can be counted as among them. Perhaps the most important among them.

04-02-2023, 05:31 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right. UK_WhoDat likes this.

04-02-2023, 06:50 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by neugey Because Carmichael needs to get his act together I think we need to pump the brakes a little. But I hope long term you are right. I believe giving Carmichael both Thomas and Carr will do wonders with getting his act together.

04-02-2023, 05:59 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world This requires Dennis Allen or Pete Carmichael to be a sharper offensive mind than Jon Gruden. I am skeptical of that. Cities don't throw footballs or design plays, QBs and coaches do. The Raiders once signed a mid-career QB who had shown promise with the Saints, under the premise that the Saints were a death sentence for QBs, and up until a rocky final year, this young Saints QB had always performed so all he needed was a change in scenery to shine. The Raiders had a recent history of strong QB production, but their Super Bowl QB had retired and their offensive guru coach had moved on to another conference. Yet, the Raiders felt sure that even with a less proven coach, they could take a QB who had been good, if inconsistent, with the Saints and make him a star in Oakland given their franchises better track record at the QB position. They felt that merely the luster of their city, and the jokes about the franchise this QB had come from, would be enough to turn a QB around who had begun to show signs of fading. That QB was Aaron Brooks. It turned out that the Saints being a death sentence of QBs was not Brooks only problem, and whatever truth their might have been to the sentence, it had already been carried out and the product was DOA. UK_WhoDat and MatthewT like this.
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04-03-2023, 07:23 AM	#8
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward.

06-02-2023, 11:20 PM	#9
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Originally Posted by MatthewT My concern with Carr is there was a big decline in his performance in 2022, compared to 2018-2021. I didn't follow the Raiders close enough to understand why numbers dropped so bad, I guess all we can hope for is he is good moving forward. I honestly think he just lost his focus with the Raiders and needs somewhere else to restart fresh. Trust me, he's still got it. Even though he had a drop in 2022, I still saw IT. When it comes to QBs, the thing to watch for is how they position their body and move around that pocket while maintaining good awareness of the field. Throwing off your back foot causes more horrible interceptions than anything and is a complete breakdown of footwork and timing. Your best guys have such good awareness that they get to the right spots which allows them to get so far down their read trajectory. I've seen guys with clean pockets in the NFL throw off their back foot because they just sniff a little pressure. You can't blink as a QB. You have to manipulate the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is nothing more multifaceted than QB play and is a very hard thing to predict, but I definitely see something rare in him. He has the potential to do everything the greats could do, he just has to actualize it. Man, I wish Payton would have gotten a shot with him. Payton will probably lead the Broncos to like a 9-8 or 8-9 record or something, which would be pretty amazing. As is though, that team cannot compete. Russel Wilson as the QB makes that impossible, I have no idea why he went there. Perhaps he likes making the best out of tough situations.
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04-03-2023, 07:50 AM	#10
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr is going to shock the world Just curious if the Raiders were a death sentence to Jamarcus Russell too ?!?