Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller

Boston Saint · 04-29-2023, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Like Ian Book. As anyone that knows NFL football knows, QB's are always a crap shoot, but it's something you have to take your best shot at anyway.

Why did they “have” to take it with Book? Why do they have to take it in this draft? They have 3 guys who can play QB on the roster. That’s for 1 position. They didn’t have to take it. We aren’t that deep in skill positions when we started Smith, Kirkwood and Callaway in a game last year. But go ahead and believe 100% of the moves the Saints make without question and tell others that have doubts to chill out if that makes you feel better. I Don’t see why it bothers you so much when I express my thoughts.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2023, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Why did they “have” to take it with Book? Why do they have to take it in this draft? They have 3 guys who can play QB on the roster. That’s for 1 position. They didn’t have to take it. We aren’t that deep in skill positions when we started Smith, Kirkwood and Callaway in a game last year. But go ahead and believe 100% of the moves the Saints make without question and tell others that have doubts to chill out if that makes you feel better. I Don’t see why it bothers you so much when I express my thoughts.

*smdh*

Boston Saint · 04-29-2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

*smdh*

So, no answer to valid questions.

Boston Saint · 04-29-2023, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Like Ian Book. As anyone that knows NFL football knows, QB's are always a crap shoot, but it's something you have to take your best shot at anyway.

So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs

So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft.

BakoSaint · 04-29-2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs

So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft.

A lot of the best starting QBs in the league are 1st rounders who fell out of the top 5 because of concerns but still went somewhere in the 1st round. Several others fell to the 2nd or 3rd round but were big name college QBs who were discussed as possible 1st round picks like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts. Some recent retirees like Brees and Brady are also valid to discuss. In general, finding a great starting QB in round 3 or later is rare and becomes increasingly rare by round. But the 1st and early 2nd round can be more of a crap shoot. To me what this says is that there can be a strong argument to take your shot with a QB like Levis or Hooker. The league can be obsessed with trends and fads. A lot of great QBs are taken in picks 6-12 of the draft and I think thats the sweet spot to take a shot because the results have often been the same or better than picks 1-5, perhaps due to the difficulty of evaluating that precisely, the extra pressure of being a top 5 picks, top 5 picks going to worse teams, teams giving up too much to get a top 5 pick, and players having more of a chip on their shoulder when they are not the first QB taken.

Also, where mid round QBs have been successful, they have often got their opportunities because they went to teams that had roster space to let a young QB develop with the second team and get them reps. By clogging the roster with veteran backups in order to defer painful cap hits we make it a little harder to properly develop a mid round pick who will probably just be a backup but has the upside to be the next Cousins or Prescott or Wilson. The 49ers would not have Brock Purdy if they had Winston and Hill backing up Garoppolo because they never wanted to take the cap hit to move on from any of them.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2023, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs

So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft.

As I've mentioned earlier today, I don't see Haener or any other QB taken after the first round as being anything more than a full-time backup some day. So you and I agree on that. But we all know that a backup QB is vital in today's NFL. We need to keep looking to have a serviceable player at QB that doesn't carry the cap hit of a Winston. The fourth round is no guarantee for any position. But, once again, I think the team has a far better idea of what their needs are than I do. That is a guarantee.

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iceshack149 · 04-30-2023, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You can find quality Guard depth in the 4th or with one of the two 5th round picks we have.

And you can find a quality RB in the 3-4 rounds of the draft as well. Just watching his high-lites he reminds me of one of the great RB's from two decades ago, Curtis Martin. Same build, same style. It's just a comparison. I'm not saying that he's the next Curtis Martin but I'm certainly warming up to this pick.

cmike · 04-30-2023, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Honestly I think this is DA trying to help Derek Carr out as much as possible.

The offense was completely anemic last year, Carr is good but he can't do it alone, he isn't Brees. Surround him with a good running game to take some pressure off, with change of pace backs that can all catch the ball and break tackles.

If Carmichael can get his head out of his rear, im very excited to see what the offense can do.

Drew did have Deuce, Reggie, Pierre, Mark and AK.

04-29-2023, 02:09 PM	#41
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Like Ian Book. As anyone that knows NFL football knows, QB's are always a crap shoot, but it's something you have to take your best shot at anyway. Why did they “have” to take it with Book? Why do they have to take it in this draft? They have 3 guys who can play QB on the roster. That’s for 1 position. They didn’t have to take it. We aren’t that deep in skill positions when we started Smith, Kirkwood and Callaway in a game last year. But go ahead and believe 100% of the moves the Saints make without question and tell others that have doubts to chill out if that makes you feel better. I Don’t see why it bothers you so much when I express my thoughts.
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04-29-2023, 02:14 PM	#42
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint Why did they “have” to take it with Book? Why do they have to take it in this draft? They have 3 guys who can play QB on the roster. That’s for 1 position. They didn’t have to take it. We aren’t that deep in skill positions when we started Smith, Kirkwood and Callaway in a game last year. But go ahead and believe 100% of the moves the Saints make without question and tell others that have doubts to chill out if that makes you feel better. I Don’t see why it bothers you so much when I express my thoughts. smdh

04-29-2023, 02:26 PM	#43
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by AsylumGuido smdh So, no answer to valid questions.

04-29-2023, 02:38 PM	#44
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Like Ian Book. As anyone that knows NFL football knows, QB's are always a crap shoot, but it's something you have to take your best shot at anyway. So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft.
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04-29-2023, 02:57 PM	#45
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,765	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft. A lot of the best starting QBs in the league are 1st rounders who fell out of the top 5 because of concerns but still went somewhere in the 1st round. Several others fell to the 2nd or 3rd round but were big name college QBs who were discussed as possible 1st round picks like Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts. Some recent retirees like Brees and Brady are also valid to discuss. In general, finding a great starting QB in round 3 or later is rare and becomes increasingly rare by round. But the 1st and early 2nd round can be more of a crap shoot. To me what this says is that there can be a strong argument to take your shot with a QB like Levis or Hooker. The league can be obsessed with trends and fads. A lot of great QBs are taken in picks 6-12 of the draft and I think thats the sweet spot to take a shot because the results have often been the same or better than picks 1-5, perhaps due to the difficulty of evaluating that precisely, the extra pressure of being a top 5 picks, top 5 picks going to worse teams, teams giving up too much to get a top 5 pick, and players having more of a chip on their shoulder when they are not the first QB taken. Also, where mid round QBs have been successful, they have often got their opportunities because they went to teams that had roster space to let a young QB develop with the second team and get them reps. By clogging the roster with veteran backups in order to defer painful cap hits we make it a little harder to properly develop a mid round pick who will probably just be a backup but has the upside to be the next Cousins or Prescott or Wilson. The 49ers would not have Brock Purdy if they had Winston and Hill backing up Garoppolo because they never wanted to take the cap hit to move on from any of them. Boston Saint likes this.
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04-29-2023, 03:44 PM	#46
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint So let’s look at this “crap shoot” that is finding a starting NFL QB for your team. I just did a quick accounting, and by what I see vast Majority of starting quarterbacks in the league were selected in the first round. Practically all of the young “star” QBs are first rounders, except for a couple that were in the second round. Wilson was a third rounder. Cousins and Prescott were both fourth rounders. These are the QBs That have establish themselves as viable starting QBs or are 1 or second year QBs So, if you mean by crapshoot, you don’t know whether or not the guy you draft is going to pay it out that is true. But if you mean by crapshoot that you are likely to find a starting quarterback in any round of the draft, you’re wrong. It’s more likely that your starter is going to be an early round pick and not a guy selected in the fourth round. It’s more likely that a starting player at any other position is going to be found in the fourth round, rather than drafting a QB there. Again, these are just my observations and why I question some of the pics the Saints made (and have made) in the draft. As I've mentioned earlier today, I don't see Haener or any other QB taken after the first round as being anything more than a full-time backup some day. So you and I agree on that. But we all know that a backup QB is vital in today's NFL. We need to keep looking to have a serviceable player at QB that doesn't carry the cap hit of a Winston. The fourth round is no guarantee for any position. But, once again, I think the team has a far better idea of what their needs are than I do. That is a guarantee.
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04-30-2023, 10:00 AM	#48
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04-30-2023, 11:10 AM	#49
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,097 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by rezburna You can find quality Guard depth in the 4th or with one of the two 5th round picks we have. And you can find a quality RB in the 3-4 rounds of the draft as well. Just watching his high-lites he reminds me of one of the great RB's from two decades ago, Curtis Martin. Same build, same style. It's just a comparison. I'm not saying that he's the next Curtis Martin but I'm certainly warming up to this pick. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

04-30-2023, 11:28 AM	#50
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,379	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by dizzle88 Honestly I think this is DA trying to help Derek Carr out as much as possible. The offense was completely anemic last year, Carr is good but he can't do it alone, he isn't Brees. Surround him with a good running game to take some pressure off, with change of pace backs that can all catch the ball and break tackles. If Carmichael can get his head out of his rear, im very excited to see what the offense can do. Drew did have Deuce, Reggie, Pierre, Mark and AK.