Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller

Boston Saint · 05-21-2023, 12:43 PM

I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs.

SmashMouth · 05-21-2023, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs.

Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

SmashMouth · 05-22-2023, 02:48 AM

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AsylumGuido · 05-22-2023, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

Yup. The game has changed across the board. Teams are now looking for multidimensionality at all positions. According to Spotrac positional salaries, the average salary for a RB is the lowest for any starting player on offense or defense except for the FB. They also have the shortest average career length. A high school RB can convert to either strong or free safety and eventually make THREE times more and play for twice as long. You just don't see those Earl Campbell types anymore. Just like you don't see single bar face masks. The games has indeed changed.

Rugby Saint II · 05-22-2023, 01:47 PM

PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

Boston Saint · 05-22-2023, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats.

But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats.

But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.

From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

Boston Saint · 05-22-2023, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

AsylumGuido · 05-22-2023, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

When you get your own team you can do just that.

Boston Saint · 05-24-2023, 10:09 AM

Just saw that Adrian Peterson is ready for another shot. He’s 38. I bring this up NOT because I want him signed. Just to point out that he is just shy of 15,000 yards for his career. That’s way more than twice what Ingram got rushing for the Saints. Pretty amazing numbers.

05-21-2023, 12:43 PM	#71
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs. jnormand likes this.

05-21-2023, 07:21 PM	#72
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,107 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m sure I’ll catch some flak for saying this, but I’m a little tired about hearing what RBs can do in the passing game. I know they are valuable but Derrick Henry isn’t a big receiving threat out of the backfield. His best years he averaged under 20 catches per season. All i’m saying is I miss a back you could line up and hand the ball to reliably. I think that type of back has lost its value in the league in favor of more “versatile” backs. Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really.

05-22-2023, 08:04 AM	#74
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by SmashMouth Don't disagree , but the game has changed . The Earl Campbells are not wanted anymore . It's a shame really. Yup. The game has changed across the board. Teams are now looking for multidimensionality at all positions. According to Spotrac positional salaries, the average salary for a RB is the lowest for any starting player on offense or defense except for the FB. They also have the shortest average career length. A high school RB can convert to either strong or free safety and eventually make THREE times more and play for twice as long. You just don't see those Earl Campbell types anymore. Just like you don't see single bar face masks. The games has indeed changed. SmashMouth likes this.
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05-22-2023, 01:47 PM	#75
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB.

05-22-2023, 03:33 PM	#76
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II PT was the king of screens. AK established the new prototype for an NFL RB. Running and blocking have taken a back seat to pass catching. Miller wasn't utilized much as a pass catcher in college, but you can bet the Saints coaches are focusing heavily on pass catching and running routes properly without showing tells to the DB. Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats. But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past.
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05-22-2023, 03:49 PM	#77
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint Don’t get me wrong Rugs, I love what Kamara has done on the field. But Faulk, Watters, and Thurman Thomas (among others) set the way for that style of play from running backs. He (Kamara) wasn’t the prototype, but he’s like the later versions of the Terminator RBs when it comes to dual threats. But again, I’m not sure that’s what I want from my RB. Jamal Williams had a thousand rushing yards with 17 TDs last year and only 12’catches last year. I’m not sure the idea of a guy who can rush well and not catch is a thing of the past. From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations.

05-22-2023, 04:06 PM	#78
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by AsylumGuido From what I've heard Jamaal can catch, he just wasn't called upon to do much of it. Detroit just didn't seem to demand the versatility out of their backs the way the Saints have done. D'Andre Swift had 70 targets to Jamaal's 16. Conversely, Jamaal had 262 carries to Swift's 99. I would think the defense had an idea of what was being called in most of the situations. I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs.

05-22-2023, 04:37 PM	#79
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m fine with him not catching more. Would Barry Sanders or Walter Payton or Bettis or Ironhead been better if they caught more passes? I don’t think so. Sometimes you need a guy to run for the hard yards. That’s my point. I think (could be wrong) that it’s overrated to assess a back’s ability out of the backfield. If I want to throw the ball I’ll get WRs and TEs. When you get your own team you can do just that.

05-24-2023, 10:09 AM	#80
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Saints Pick 3.08 - RB Kendre Miller Just saw that Adrian Peterson is ready for another shot. He’s 38. I bring this up NOT because I want him signed. Just to point out that he is just shy of 15,000 yards for his career. That’s way more than twice what Ingram got rushing for the Saints. Pretty amazing numbers.