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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna It depends on who commits the violent acts and who those acts were against. If violence is the line drawn in the sand as an unforgivable act…..nevermind. I agree circumstances matter rez. I’d never say violence ...

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Old 08-11-2023, 10:26 AM   #1
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Re: Kamara pleads no contest to misdemeanor charge

Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
It depends on who commits the violent acts and who those acts were against. If violence is the line drawn in the sand as an unforgivable act…..nevermind.
I agree circumstances matter rez. I’d never say violence is always unacceptable. But In this particular situation has Kamara not made statements like:

“ There is absolutely no excuse”

“ I was completely in the wrong”

“I accept full responsibility”

To some people (Not necessarily saying myself) accepting that responsibility involves losing all trust from some going forward. He’s crossed a line by (admitting to) attacking a man without excuse and putting him in the hospital for no good reason. He then bragged about it later in a car. That’s not heat of the moment.

Just giving a viewpoint i’ve heard expressed by others in attempt to answer rugbys earlier posted statement; “He has been through the legal process and the court of public opinion still wants him to pay more. I don't get it.”

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Old 08-11-2023, 10:29 AM   #2
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Re: Kamara pleads no contest to misdemeanor charge

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I agree circumstances matter rez. I’d never say violence is always unacceptable. But In this particular situation has Kamara not made statements like:

“ There is absolutely no excuse”

“ I was completely in the wrong”

“I accept full responsibility”

To some people (Not necessarily saying myself) accepting that responsibility involves losing all trust from some going forward. He’s crossed a line by (admitting to) attacking a man without excuse and putting him in the hospital for no good reason. He then bragged about it later in a car. That’s not heat of the moment.

Just giving a viewpoint i’ve heard expressed by others in attempt to answer rugbys earlier posted questions.
I think Kamara is answering the way he knows certain segments of society want him to answer. There’s really no other way for him to respond with increasing the backlash and the punishment. I’m truly surprised it’s still a topic of conversation and that people feel so strongly about it. So many perspectives. I see why many of us can’t get on the same page in general.
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Old 08-11-2023, 10:54 AM   #3
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I think Kamara is answering the way he knows certain segments of society want him to answer. There’s really no other way for him to respond with increasing the backlash and the punishment. I’m truly surprised it’s still a topic of conversation and that people feel so strongly about it. So many perspectives. I see why many of us can’t get on the same page in general.
He certainly has handled himself well post the incident. He is saying the right things and appears contrite. But just for argument sake, here are a few things to consider in regards as to why people are on different pages with his issue. Let’s say that a person is satisfied with what Kamara has done after the legal ruling and comfortable with the price he has paid.

Is it so hard to understand that some other people may think one or more of these things:

He is only acting sorry and saying the “right” things because he has millions of dollars at stake. His actions and what he said about them afterward show his true nature.

Any person who has ever been violently assaulted and hospitalized unlawfully themselves would be much more sensitive to this issue, and therefore unwilling to forgive him for his actions.

Any person who has ever done something similar to Kamara (gotten into a bar fight let’s say) probably spent several months in jail. They see the unfairness of a rich person, getting away with a crime that a poor person would not.

In my mind these are all valid reasons why someone would have negative feelings about him. Just food for thought.
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Old 08-11-2023, 11:20 AM   #4
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He certainly has handled himself well post the incident. He is saying the right things and appears contrite. But just for argument sake, here are a few things to consider in regards as to why people are on different pages with his issue. Let’s say that a person is satisfied with what Kamara has done after the legal ruling and comfortable with the price he has paid.

Is it so hard to understand that some other people may think one or more of these things:

He is only acting sorry and saying the “right” things because he has millions of dollars at stake. His actions and what he said about them afterward show his true nature.

Any person who has ever been violently assaulted and hospitalized unlawfully themselves would be much more sensitive to this issue, and therefore unwilling to forgive him for his actions.

Any person who has ever done something similar to Kamara (gotten into a bar fight let’s say) probably spent several months in jail. They see the unfairness of a rich person, getting away with a crime that a poor person would not.

In my mind these are all valid reasons why someone would have negative feelings about him. Just food for thought.
I can somewhat see the perspective from each of those points, but the amount of emotional investment is something I can’t relate to. Not in the instance of a fight. It’s all too common for me to see a fight go from 1 on 1 to 1 vs 5 or 3 vs 3 in an instant. It just doesn’t move the needle for me or any of the people around me. It’s truly on the opposite end of the spectrum in regards to perspective on the situation. As far as him getting off easy because he’s an athlete, I’m not really bothered by that either. At that point it would just be jealousy on my part. We all know the rules change depending on socioeconomic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. The court decisions involving athletes is at the very bottom of my equality/equity totem pole.
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Old 08-11-2023, 11:39 AM   #5
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I can somewhat see the perspective from each of those points, but the amount of emotional investment is something I can’t relate to. Not in the instance of a fight. It’s all too common for me to see a fight go from 1 on 1 to 1 vs 5 or 3 vs 3 in an instant. It just doesn’t move the needle for me or any of the people around me. It’s truly on the opposite end of the spectrum in regards to perspective on the situation. As far as him getting off easy because he’s an athlete, I’m not really bothered by that either. At that point it would just be jealousy on my part. We all know the rules change depending on socioeconomic status, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. The court decisions involving athletes is at the very bottom of my equality/equity totem pole.
Fair enough. I understand and respect both viewpoints. Certainly his actions don’t amount to what Sharper’s actions were. Plus I’ll be the first to say that football is by its nature a violent sport. It’s not surprising that the people who play it at the highest level have a sense of violence in them.
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Fair enough. I understand and respect both viewpoints. Certainly his actions don’t amount to what Sharper’s actions were. Plus I’ll be the first to say that football is by its nature a violent sport. It’s not surprising that the people who play it at the highest level have a sense of violence in them.
The last sentence is the biggest thing for me. It’s a gladiator sport and sometimes those characteristics can manifest off the field. If they manifest in domestic violence then I’m not okay with that. If they manifest in a random fight at a club/venue I don’t really care. I will say boxing is probably my second favorite sport or at least tied with basketball. Kamara didn’t cross the line for me. The curb stomp was unnecessary. The bragging afterwards is typical male, machismo.
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The last sentence is the biggest thing for me. It’s a gladiator sport and sometimes those characteristics can manifest off the field. If they manifest in domestic violence then I’m not okay with that. If they manifest in a random fight at a club/venue I don’t really care. I will say boxing is probably my second favorite sport or at least tied with basketball. Kamara didn’t cross the line for me. The curb stomp was unnecessary. The bragging afterwards is typical male, machismo.


Maybe it was male, machoism. Regardless, it was disappointing to hear someone that I thought so highly of reduce himself to a bragging hooligan. I forgive the man but I see him differently now. Not much. But a little differently. I still think he's a great player and team mate. Let's remember that the team also had to pay for his indiscretions by bringing in another player to cover his snaps while he is on suspension. Oh well, it's history and the future looks bright.
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Old 08-12-2023, 12:28 PM   #8
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The last sentence is the biggest thing for me. It’s a gladiator sport and sometimes those characteristics can manifest off the field. If they manifest in domestic violence then I’m not okay with that. If they manifest in a random fight at a club/venue I don’t really care. I will say boxing is probably my second favorite sport or at least tied with basketball. Kamara didn’t cross the line for me. The curb stomp was unnecessary. The bragging afterwards is typical male, machismo.
I agree with most of this rez. I will say one more thing though and finish my piece. You mention you are not Ok with domestic violence. I agree and respect you for saying that.

Kamara was put into a stressful, non-life threatening (probably not even injury threatening considering it was 5 or 6 to one) situation and he chose to resort to excessive violence. A person who would be part of that is more likely to have an issue with domestic violence than a person who would have used restraint.
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I agree circumstances matter rez. I’d never say violence is always unacceptable. But In this particular situation has Kamara not made statements like:

“ There is absolutely no excuse”

“ I was completely in the wrong”

“I accept full responsibility”

To some people (Not necessarily saying myself) accepting that responsibility involves losing all trust from some going forward. He’s crossed a line by (admitting to) attacking a man without excuse and putting him in the hospital for no good reason. He then bragged about it later in a car. That’s not heat of the moment.

Just giving a viewpoint i’ve heard expressed by others in attempt to answer rugbys earlier posted statement; “He has been through the legal process and the court of public opinion still wants him to pay more. I don't get it.”
I was fine with AK giving him a beat down. The instigator literally got what he asked for. After he punched him several times AK got up and then his friends knocked out the newest member of the millionaire club with a curb stomp.....which is unforgivable. Where I have a big problem is listening to the thug mentality he had when he was bragging in the video to his posse. I lost a ton of respect for him but maybe he can gain it back. It's time for AK to find new friends like someone said earlier.
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Old 08-11-2023, 03:17 PM   #10
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I for one wish Kamara hadn't gotten involved with the guy. He should have just backed off when his buddy threw the first punch. But he didn't. At least he backed off before the, as Rugs put it, curb stomping commenced. All said and done what he did do was wrong and he came completely clean on it. The fact that he had an impeccable record and had never had any issues with the law his whole life means something to me and likely meant something to the judge, as well. Good people make bad decisions everyday.

I understand that some people cannot let an isolated incident go. For the life of me I can't however understand why. I guess some people are wired differently. Now that this event is in the rearview mirror Kamara remains one of my very favorite Saints players of all time and I'll still proudly keep his jersey in my gameday rotation. Although, I am still hoping to get that Guido Merkens #19 jersey for my upcoming birthday.


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