SmashMouth

Boston Saint

He probably wanted to go to Denver so he could smoke some good pot !

K Major

Yep, super petty.

And I agree, the Broncos could get exposed this season.

Anyways, SP isn't our problem any longer .

WW_Who_Dat

Just Saying …

All respect to Coach Payton for what he gave to the City and Organization. Why did he want to leave? All the points made, based on personal interpretation of publicly know issues and events. Sports team as do most business will never open the back door to a full behind the scene’s truth be told.

Loomis needs to be credited with bringing Payton to NO and probably following Payton in the recruiting of Brees. Those 2 together were a huge part of bring respect and a SB to NO.

Payton success and tenure brought more and more say into the drafting, signing of free agents and roster building … rightfully so.

Salary Cap Management and the front office have been frequently blamed for monies available for lack of quality veteran free agents signings the last few years.

With Paytons early success with mostly middle tier drafted players and trying to repeat that success unfortunately just did not work out. A series of poor drafts and bad free agent signing over several years probably lead in large part to bringing Jeff Ireland onboard.

After the improved drafts combined with front office approach to identify and make the moves needed to get players they wanted. I know I know , like love hate plenty of each.

Payton again brought in QB projects with the confidence he could coach, mold and bring result similar in some degree to his run with Brees.

We saw 4 of those project QBs fail or show little possible chance of long term success. Injuries played a part in that QB failure. But the biggest failure was in continuing down the QB reclamation road rather than getting a true starting QB in retrospect.

Does anyone doubt that had Payton wanted any of the starting NFL QB’s available in that 4 year period that Loomis and the front office would not have made that happen. Dis Payton want that or did want to prove is QB Whisperer media imagine.

Some would have rolled their eyes but with Loomis and Kai salary cap management would not have been the issue preventing such a move.

Payton statements about ownership could just as well be about his latest coaching job search. Cardinals … seriously with that ownership and QB. Dallas can’t imagine having to work with Ole Jer, Cowgirls will continue be underwhelming as long as Ole Ger controls. Payton ain’t going there because he wants control and final say in football operations. Again we don’t know who else he spoke with.

After last year debacle in Denver you have to think they, Denver owners, gave him the keys to the castle. Good for him.

At the end of all these discussions we make assumptions on information we have access, which is seldom the complete, full and factual information.

QBREES9

I wish him all the best. Take care

Rugby Saint II

It's got to better than that crap they sell in Amsterdam. My lungs hurt when I left and it wasn't from all the walking.

Edit: this was supposed to be a quote about Payton leaving here to go smoke pot in Denver. Lucky bas****!

BakoSaint

Also very possible. I would guess 8-9. I believe Payton is a better coach than Allen, but I am not sure Wilson is a better QB than Winston or Dalton. If Wilson goes down in flames and everyone knows Denver isnt benching him because they financially can’t that locker room could implode. In general I don’t expect 2024 to be a good year for teams that fired their DC for being good.

cmike

I loved the coach while he was here. But he always came off as a jerk and REAL corny to me.
Still got love for him though.

WW_Who_Dat

Not a good look with the recent Payton’s comments about previous coaching staff front offices etc. Though true not sure what these statements accomplishing in regards to Team Building. I would bet the owners are not thrilled with that sort of publicity.

So if Wilson proves to be bad even with the QB whisper at the helm and the Broncos team under performs Payton standing will take a big hit.

Keep thinking … Belichick - Brady Payton - Brees. Obviously great coaches but both franchises fortunes changes dramatically once their long time QB’s left.

McDaniels was not the magic behind the Patriots offense as shown in his time with Patriots post Brady and so with both his head coaching stops. Belichick’s defense is still capable of shutting down most offenses but without that elite QB his future is not certain even with all his success in New England.

What have you done for me lately.

Same same with the Saints have no doubt we will have a really good defense this year because for all the criticism of Coach Allen, like Belichick, he coaches and calls a very good defensive scheme/unit.

Will Coach Carmichael offensive game planning and playing calling improve with Carr, only time will tell. If the offense does not perform significantly better than the last couple years it’s on Carmichael. With the sum of the overall talent we have on offense it would be hard not to lay blame at his position.

Crusader

There are two ways to have the biggest house in town. You eithe rbuild your own or you tear every one elses down.

Don't really understand what SP is trying to accomplish talking like that.