Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.

I mean, he took the job that was available. I don't think a team with a 1st round pick QB made an offer. We don't know how Payton would do developing a 1st round pick QB because he has never tried. He did make Winston look better than others did.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds".

When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like.

But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them.

She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back.

Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner.

Gayle is obviously not a terrible owner. But I still think its possible Payton had issues with her. There are other ways to have flaws as an owner than being a cheapskate. If Gayle had flaws as an owner, I would guess she might be too loyal to too many people and side with doing what's nice. Contrary to being a cheapskate, that could lead to overpaying players, keeping players too long, and having too many cooks in the kitchen in the front office. Last year we had two defensive coordinators. For many years we have basically had two GMs in Loomis and Ireland. We have 4 QBs and a million TEs, one of which is kind of neither. When faced with an opening at head coach we did not hire externally because then somebody would have to be let go, we promoted a guy with a highly questionable resume bc he waited his turn nicely, and then when that opened up the DC position we couldn't decide who to promote so we lost both a year later because we thought we could make everyone happy by giving them both the title and really it worked for neither. One could view all this as a form of dysfunctional charity. We were widely expected to part ways with Jameis Winston, Andrus Peat, and Michael Thomas this offseason but we kept all three. Gayle seems like a nice woman, but I am not sure if she or anyone in the organization is fostering a culture of accountability and expectations for excellence. We did actually win our ring under Tom. Then again, if Payton did have frustrations with Gayle, maybe it was just him wanting even more control than she would give, or wanting to cash in on a $10 million per year deal.

08-01-2023, 05:35 PM	#31
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy. I mean, he took the job that was available. I don't think a team with a 1st round pick QB made an offer. We don't know how Payton would do developing a 1st round pick QB because he has never tried. He did make Winston look better than others did.
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08-01-2023, 05:55 PM	#32
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds". When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like. But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them. She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back. Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner. Gayle is obviously not a terrible owner. But I still think its possible Payton had issues with her. There are other ways to have flaws as an owner than being a cheapskate. If Gayle had flaws as an owner, I would guess she might be too loyal to too many people and side with doing what's nice. Contrary to being a cheapskate, that could lead to overpaying players, keeping players too long, and having too many cooks in the kitchen in the front office. Last year we had two defensive coordinators. For many years we have basically had two GMs in Loomis and Ireland. We have 4 QBs and a million TEs, one of which is kind of neither. When faced with an opening at head coach we did not hire externally because then somebody would have to be let go, we promoted a guy with a highly questionable resume bc he waited his turn nicely, and then when that opened up the DC position we couldn't decide who to promote so we lost both a year later because we thought we could make everyone happy by giving them both the title and really it worked for neither. One could view all this as a form of dysfunctional charity. We were widely expected to part ways with Jameis Winston, Andrus Peat, and Michael Thomas this offseason but we kept all three. Gayle seems like a nice woman, but I am not sure if she or anyone in the organization is fostering a culture of accountability and expectations for excellence. We did actually win our ring under Tom. Then again, if Payton did have frustrations with Gayle, maybe it was just him wanting even more control than she would give, or wanting to cash in on a $10 million per year deal. Rugby Saint II and MarchingOn like this.
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