Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM.

WW_Who_Dat · 07-30-2023, 06:57 PM

Quote from Rogers

“ And, it made me feel bad that someone who’s accomplished a lot in the league is that insecure that they have to take another man down to set themselves up for some sort of easy fall if it doesn’t go well for that team this year. I thought it was way out of line, inappropriate and I think he needs to keep my coaches’ names out of his mouth."

Rugby Saint II · 07-31-2023, 11:26 AM

We'll see if Payton is right or not. All I know is that when it comes to ownership Gayle is at the top of the list.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 01:14 AM

How do we know if Gayle is a good owner or not? She seems like a nice lady who would donate to the library and attend the theatre. We are not behind the scenes. Its possible she has some traits as an owner that Payton does not like as he did seem to get more happy feet when she took over from
Tom. Maybe she wouldnt make certain investments outside the roster. Maybe she was too loyal to certain players and staff in a way that reduced the coaches authority. Maybe other execs were more her favorites than Payton. We don’t know. She is clearly not a loud egomaniac who wants to run the draft but she may or may not be the ideal owner.

Aaron Rodgers made a living trash talking the Bears and Lions. The Bears lost a lot and he talked about it. Well last year his OC lost a lot, so Payton talked about it. Rodgers should stick to throwing the football because he ain’t in a position to be without sin casting any stones.

Rugby Saint II · 08-01-2023, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

How do we know if Gayle is a good owner or not? She seems like a nice lady who would donate to the library and attend the theatre. We are not behind the scenes. Its possible she has some traits as an owner that Payton does not like as he did seem to get more happy feet when she took over from
Tom. Maybe she wouldnt make certain investments outside the roster. Maybe she was too loyal to certain players and staff in a way that reduced the coaches authority. Maybe other execs were more her favorites than Payton. We don’t know. She is clearly not a loud egomaniac who wants to run the draft but she may or may not be the ideal owner.

Aaron Rodgers made a living trash talking the Bears and Lions. The Bears lost a lot and he talked about it. Well last year his OC lost a lot, so Payton talked about it. Rodgers should stick to throwing the football because he ain’t in a position to be without sin casting any stones.

How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds".

When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like.

But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them.

She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back.

Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner.

AsylumGuido · 08-01-2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds".

When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like.

But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them.

She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back.

Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner.

Give up, Rugs. Bako's hatred is deep rooted. From the few quoted replies that pop up I see he continues to post nothing but venom toward the ownership and management and any apparent success by the team makes no difference in his mind. If he hates the team so much why doesn't he just move on to another team more to his liking? Seriously. He and the cow guy are just two peas in a pod.

dizzle88 · 08-01-2023, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds".

When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like.

But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them.

She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back.

Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner.

Amazing response to be honest.

Could not have said it any better myself.

BakoSaint · 08-01-2023, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds".

When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like.

But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them.

She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back.

Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner.

Gayle is obviously not a terrible owner. But I still think its possible Payton had issues with her. There are other ways to have flaws as an owner than being a cheapskate. If Gayle had flaws as an owner, I would guess she might be too loyal to too many people and side with doing what's nice. Contrary to being a cheapskate, that could lead to overpaying players, keeping players too long, and having too many cooks in the kitchen in the front office. Last year we had two defensive coordinators. For many years we have basically had two GMs in Loomis and Ireland. We have 4 QBs and a million TEs, one of which is kind of neither. When faced with an opening at head coach we did not hire externally because then somebody would have to be let go, we promoted a guy with a highly questionable resume bc he waited his turn nicely, and then when that opened up the DC position we couldn't decide who to promote so we lost both a year later because we thought we could make everyone happy by giving them both the title and really it worked for neither. One could view all this as a form of dysfunctional charity. We were widely expected to part ways with Jameis Winston, Andrus Peat, and Michael Thomas this offseason but we kept all three. Gayle seems like a nice woman, but I am not sure if she or anyone in the organization is fostering a culture of accountability and expectations for excellence. We did actually win our ring under Tom. Then again, if Payton did have frustrations with Gayle, maybe it was just him wanting even more control than she would give, or wanting to cash in on a $10 million per year deal.

Boston Saint · 08-01-2023, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

How do we know if Gayle is a good owner or not?

What is your definition of a good owner?

vpheughan · 08-01-2023, 03:51 PM

I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells!

Boston Saint · 08-01-2023, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells!

Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. How do we know if Gayle is a good owner or not? She seems like a nice lady who would donate to the library and attend the theatre. We are not behind the scenes. Its possible she has some traits as an owner that Payton does not like as he did seem to get more happy feet when she took over from Tom. Maybe she wouldnt make certain investments outside the roster. Maybe she was too loyal to certain players and staff in a way that reduced the coaches authority. Maybe other execs were more her favorites than Payton. We don’t know. She is clearly not a loud egomaniac who wants to run the draft but she may or may not be the ideal owner. Aaron Rodgers made a living trash talking the Bears and Lions. The Bears lost a lot and he talked about it. Well last year his OC lost a lot, so Payton talked about it. Rodgers should stick to throwing the football because he ain’t in a position to be without sin casting any stones. iceshack149 and jnormand like this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by BakoSaint How do we know if Gayle is a good owner or not? She seems like a nice lady who would donate to the library and attend the theatre. We are not behind the scenes. Its possible she has some traits as an owner that Payton does not like as he did seem to get more happy feet when she took over from Tom. Maybe she wouldnt make certain investments outside the roster. Maybe she was too loyal to certain players and staff in a way that reduced the coaches authority. Maybe other execs were more her favorites than Payton. We don’t know. She is clearly not a loud egomaniac who wants to run the draft but she may or may not be the ideal owner. Aaron Rodgers made a living trash talking the Bears and Lions. The Bears lost a lot and he talked about it. Well last year his OC lost a lot, so Payton talked about it. Rodgers should stick to throwing the football because he ain’t in a position to be without sin casting any stones. How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds". When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like. But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them. She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back. Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner. Crusader, dizzle88 and Boston Saint like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds". When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like. But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them. She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back. Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner. Give up, Rugs. Bako's hatred is deep rooted. From the few quoted replies that pop up I see he continues to post nothing but venom toward the ownership and management and any apparent success by the team makes no difference in his mind. If he hates the team so much why doesn't he just move on to another team more to his liking? Seriously. He and the cow guy are just two peas in a pod. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How do we know if Gayle Benson is a good owner? That's a fair question and a good point. Here's my counter point. When Tom Benson bought the Saints he ran them like a used car salesman. If a player had value he would trade them to make a fast profit. He changed his way of thinking after he hired Loomis. He began investing his money back into the team. Then he spent money upgrading the training facilities, as well as getting funding for the Super dome renovations that have kept the old girl viable among the "Jerry worlds". When Tom Benson met Gayle the system was already in place for an owner to let his people do their job without getting too involved. I'm pretty sure that she never played football and I don't believe her dad was a coach so she is hands off. The system has been set in place with a strong front office and consistently good coaching that keeps her involved as the face of what an NFL owner should look like. But, the key point is that she will spend the money to make her players happy and successful. Unlike the Raiders organization or some of those other tight wads. When disaster strikes Gayle Benson opens up her check book and takes the team out of town bringing their families and even their pets with them. She doesn't get in trouble with the league or embarrass the fans like some owners do and she presents herself like a southern lady should. Last year she called out Godhell for baselessly fining Cam, Loomis and DA for a fake injury and has always had the teams back. Did I mention our winning record with her as an owner? I don't know what you expect from an owner but those are good enough for me to believe that Gayle is a good owner. Amazing response to be honest. Could not have said it any better myself. Crusader, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Reading into Sean Payton Interview on Importance of Ownership/GM. Originally Posted by vpheughan I believe he wanted to "Prove" to himself as well as the rest of the NFL that he could indeed win without Drew Brees. It was impressive that in his final season as Saints Head Coach he used: Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Trevor Siemian and even Ian Book. 4 different QB'S, a winning season and no Drew Brees. After pulling that off he had nothing else to prove here and moved on, just like his Mentor: Bill Parcells! Interesting as well that he “moved on” to a team that had a QB that has been to 2 SBs already. Not exactly a developmental guy.